Marzepansion

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[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

likely due to OpenAI trying to optimise energy efficiency and adding filters to what they can say.

Which is different than

No companies are only just now realizing how powerful it is and are throttling the shit out of its capabilities to sell it to you later :)

One is a natural thing that can happen in software engineering, the other is malicious intent without facts. That's why I said it's near to conspiracy level thinking. That paper does not attribute this to some deeper cabal of AI companies colluding together to make a shittier product, but enough so that they all are equally more shitty (so none outcompete eachother unfairly), so they can sell the better version later (apparently this doesn't hurt their brand or credibility somehow?).

but let’s not pretend the publicly available models aren’t purposefully getting restricted either.

Sure, not all optimizations are without costs. Additionally you have to keep in mind that a lot of these companies are currently being kept afloat with VC funding. OpenAI isn't profitable right now (they lost 540 million last year), and if investments go in a downturn (like they have a little while ago in the tech industry), then they need to cut costs like any normal company. But it's magical thinking to make this malicious by default.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"we purposefully make it terrible, because we know it's actually better" is near to conspiracy theory level thinking.

The internal models they are working on might be better, but they are definitely not making their actual product that's publicly available right now shittier. It's exactly the thing they released, and this is its current limitations.

This has always been the type of output it would give you, we even gave it a term really early on, hallucinations. The only thing that has changed is that the novelty has worn off so you are now paying a bit more attention to it, it's not a shittier product, you're just not enthralled by it anymore.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm a game dev, so my perspective on this can be biased, but my honest opinion is if games are too expensive for you to buy, go pirate them. That's exactly the situation places like Argentina are in now. Let us westerners subsidize the cost of development until your country gets back on track and you are able to buy more than just staple goods (40% of Argentina is considered living in poverty or worse).

This goes for people in poverty anywhere in the world tbh even in the West. Piracy doesn't really move the needle much (but do try to support indie devs if you can)

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nope, the announcement trailer was made in Unreal, they've confirmed it's in Unity.

Here's their official twitter account confirming that: https://twitter.com/colossalorder/status/1633060715132080130

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's using unity game engine. I'm a graphics programmer in the industry and at my current and last workplace I made tech for games studios (i.e. I dealt with performance of easily 100 games a year at one point). Unity by far was default the worst to deal with due to the limited tools to fix issues that were inherint to the engine. Note don't take this as me saying unity is a bad engine, it's just that it isn't a performant one. Its focus is elsewhere (accessibility and ease of development, things it excels at).

So yes, you can definitely assume that, in fact I'd assume one core for the simulation unless they wrote an entire new architecture to replace unity's functionality (you'd still be locked to single thread sync points, but that's manageable). It's a hassle most don't deal with as it's a lot of work to struggle against writing code like unity wants you to write it.

I worked in a studio that exactly did that a decade ago, and it was painful and frankly a huge upfront dev cost that takes a long time to pay off.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because half-assing the implementation is the way to go

Let's deliver a broken version of accessibility in 10 minutes, that's much better.

No, simply adding "colour filters" isn't a fix either, and if that was the fix then a game wouldn't even need to do that, there are plenty of apps that can already do that, a game doesn't need to do anything for that (similar to how your screen warmth can change when it becomes night), reshade as an example of something that can do just that.

But thinking about the problem is ofcourse too hard, it's easier to whine about it and act like you know how simple it is. But when we implement accessibly we do think about it, because people with accessibility issues deserve to get something that actually helps rather than the "10 minute solution"

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago

It's disingenuous to pass off ww2 as a current event though.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty standard really. You don't want contributions to the codebase come under questionable copyright concerns, or the original creator to revoke the code 4 years later causing huge headaches potentially.

You typically have to sign these types of CLA's whenever you need to contribute to any serious project. I've had to do it for Google and Microsoft recently, and I've done it for various other open source projects as well.

Still that shouldn't concern users/gamedevs as they don't contribute to the engine code typically. Only if they want to upstream changes back into the engine publicly they would need to sign it ofcourse

Please re-read my opening sentence before responding. I'm clearly talking about the 'your shithole' part. I don't care if someone insults fascists. But it's racist to call a place "shithole", especially if the poster is from a 'first world country'.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I try not to assume too much about the person on the other end, depending on the age he might just be an edgy teenager lashing out (yeah I know that's ironic with my previous statement). I know my upbringing glossed over certain "troubling" parts of my country's history, and that left me with certain messed up beliefs as well that I had to move past (and I luckily did)

In the end I hope they're someone who is just being edgy and ill-informed and my response at least plants a seed of doubt that is enough to prosper into acquiring the knowledge to move past their current beliefs

But you might be right, I might just be a tad overtly optimistic here. But for me Nazis are an existential threat, so I'd rather convert them early than deal with the repercussions if they ever get political power over people like myself again.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never said the original poster made a general statement about the people, just the country being called a shithole, you came in and added the "can't call neo-nazi's trash anymore", a ridiculous statement I never made. In the context of my response being about how he refers to the country of Ukraine, how can your sarcastic complaint about me not be seen as referring to the the people? That's why I said not every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

My comment was pretty particular about the "your shithole" part. I don't care what negative thing he calls Banderites, and you'll see from my previous comments elsewhere in this thread I have no love for those who adore him.

Also I find it ridiculous you all are very happy to point to problematic groups in one country, yet systematically ignore it in another. Double standards like this is why I have difficulties not seeing the bias at play in these discussions.

[–] Marzepansion@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

America is a shithole, too, if you were wondering.

I agree it has its problems, but I'm not an American so it's easier to not get deluded by what they call "the American dream". Helps that even in my English classes growing up we dealt with topics such as the rampant poverty issues Americans face, and how many children live in poverty in the US. Though context matters; America is currently not being invaded. If it was a minor country on the world stage I would also not call it a "shithole". Same reason I can detect issues in certain African countries without ever calling them by that name, like one of their presidents did.

If you are from America, calling a country that's been suffering your world hegemony for so long a 'shithole', I can only say you are part of the reason that's the situation, and so you have no rights to call any country a shithole.

"You can't call our neo-Nazis trash and our state that celebrates Nazi collaborators a shithole! That's, uh, uh, that's racist!"

Not every Ukrainian is a Nazi. But sure, let your hate cloud your sense of decency, if that makes you feel better. I'm sure the mothers I've spoken to will be happy their children died because they were Nazis, besides I'm sure their elderly people just had it coming.. /s

Unlike you I don't see them as "acceptable collateral".

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