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[–] neglector0669@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 months ago (5 children)

There's a difference between drafting citizen soldiers for an existential war for survival vs drafting them for imperial wars of conquest and genocide.

That doesn't mean you have to agree with, or can't criticize, the former, just that you should understand the stark moral contrast between them.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

War is often a political issue, not an existential one. Ukrainians will not suddenly drop dead because the Ukrainian state dissolves.

[–] LemmyHead@lemmy.ml -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I disagree though about the contrast though. I believe in individual freedom and equality between men and women. Whether it's the one of the latter purpose or specifically Russia or Ukraine doing it, both of them have shown very little appreciation towards male lives. With both parties, men immediately became an object of war and victims of orders from those in power. The sensitive issue with Ukraine is that they're the defending party, so it makes it very hard to run away (if affected) or criticize (as an external) this approach. I think both parties equally violated human rights; Russia for conducting a racist war (where also mostly minorities are pushed to join the war) and Ukraine for its sexism and taking away freedom of men to choose whatever the fuck they want to do.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 months ago

I doubt this will make anyone who didn't get back to fight (millions of them) to get back to fight. The only thing it will manage to do is to make the emmigration permanent since even after the war end those people won't ever get back since they will be arrested for dodging draft in the wartime, for which in most countries punishments are pretty serious.

[–] rolandtb303@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

this seems familiar. where have i heard this before?