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Tesla Whistleblower Says 'Autopilot' System Is Not Safe Enough To Be Used On Public Roads::"It affects all of us because we are essentially experiments in public roads."

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 224 points 11 months ago (43 children)

I lost all trust in their 'Autopilot' the day I read Musk said (Paraphrasing) "All we need are cameras, there's no need for secondary/tertiary LIDAR or other expensive setups"

Like TFYM? No backups?? Or backups to the backups?? On a life fucking critical system?!

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 100 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The crazier and stupier shit was that part of his justification was that "people drive and they only have eyes. We should be able to do the same."

Its a stunningly idiotic justification, and yet here we are with millions of these "eyes only" teslas on the road.

[–] tcely@fosstodon.org 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's terrifying for showing how little he understands about the problem he is attempting to solve.

Humans use up to four senses at times to accomplish the task of driving.

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[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 31 points 11 months ago

I can add more, we don't only have five senses. Elementary school propoganda that is. Here's all the ones I can think of while driving.

  1. Vision
  2. Hearing
  3. Tactile feedback from wheel, pedals, you could break this down further into skin tactile pressure receptors, and also receptors of muscle tension, though muscle tension and stretching receptors also involved in number 4
  4. Proprioception, where your limbs and body are in space
  5. Rotational acceleration (semi circular canals)
  6. Linear acceleration (utricle and saccule)
  7. Smell, okay this might be a stretch but, some engine issues can be smelly

And that doesn't even consider higher order processing and actual integration of all these things which despite all it's gains with Ai recently can't match all the capabilities of the brain to integrate all that information or deal with novel stimuli. Point is Elon, add more sensors to your dang cars so they're less likely to kill people. And people aren't even perfect at driving, why would we limit it to only our senses anyways? So dumb

[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Licking the steering wheel makes it five

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 11 months ago

"Tastes like danger."

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of Mao not brushing his teeth, because tigers didn't brush theirs either.

[–] RainyRat@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Did he also eat his meat raw and sleep in trees?

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[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 42 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Ah, but you see, his reasoning is that what if the camera and lidar disagree, then what? With only a camera based system, there is only one truth with no conflicts!

Like when the camera sees the broad side of a truck as clear skies and slams right at it, there was never any conflict anywhere, everything went just as it was suppo... Wait, shit.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

sees the broad side of a white truck as clear skies and slams right at it

RIP Joshua Brown:

The truck driver, Frank Baressi, 62, told the Associated Press that the Tesla driver Joshua Brown, 40, was “playing Harry Potter on the TV screen” during the collision and was driving so fast that “he went so fast through my trailer I didn’t see him”.

[–] girthero@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

he went so fast through my trailer I didn’t see him”.

Lidar would still prevail over stupidity in this situation. It does a better job detecting massive objects cars can't go through.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The in-car system shouldn't allow you to watch a movie wtf

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[–] firewyre@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] watcher@nopeeking.link 10 points 11 months ago

These were my first words upon just seeing the title 😂

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

Isn't this already an established fact?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 41 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is it really whistleblowing if what they're leaking is already common knowledge?

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Proof by looking at internal information and data.

The data leaked by Krupski included lists of Tesla employees, often featuring their social security numbers, in addition to thousands of accident reports, and internal Tesla communications. Handelsblatt and others have used these internal memos and emails as the basis for stories on the dangers of Autopilot and the reasons for the three-year delay in Cybertruck deliveries. From NYT:

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not common enough.

Some even still believe Elmo is a genius.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Elmo

My first thought was about the muppet and I was like "He is tho. I mean, compared to Elon."

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Is it really whistleblowing

It is, and it is important.

Employees are usually bound by loyalty and contract not to tell any internals. But public knowledge often needs confirmation, otherwise it is only rumours.

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