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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What? No!

Or do you think propaganda and misinformation is only created by capitalist countries?

What about generating child porn, or mail scams?

Those AI problems can definitely not be solved by overthrowing Capitalism.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

Well those aren't uniquely AI problems.

AI generated or human artwork created CP is also kind of debatable in terms of harm causing vs potential harm reduction. (IE the question is, does availability of fake CP in which no one is harmed in the making of it, lessen or raise the amount of actual offenders).

Misinformation, scams etc... all just as likely to happen via shops of cheap labor

The problems of AI that I believe this post is talking about, are the labor displacement issues, IE when AI gets good enough to outperform humans at tasks... how will the economy deal with unemployable people. Which is a specifically capitalism problem. IE the fact that work is based on supply/demand... and lowering the supply of work while keeping peoples demand of needing income... leads to people starving to death.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Ok, not all. The concerns OP was referencing were likely concerns related to mass job displacement and unemployment.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My biggest concern with "AI" is people trusting it. It seems to be wrong a lot and people are misinformed enough already. I don’t think this is solved by people owning the means of production.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 9 points 11 months ago

That's not a problem that's unique to AI, though; and misinformation would be much easier to address if you remove the profit incentive. Misinformation sells.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 11 months ago

The incentive to oversell the capabilities of AI and market it as being more than what it is stem directly from capitalism though.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 11 points 11 months ago

No! If capitalism gone, my 0.0000000001% chance of becoming a billionaire would be gone as well!

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 5 points 11 months ago

Easier to overthrow AI tech than to overthrow capitalism sadly.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

My concerns with AI are like doctors cheating their way through school with chatGPT and deepfakes leading nations into war, other people's concerns with AI are that rich artists won't get credit for derivative works. It's all a fucking joke to me and I'm going to keep enjoying my time with Stable Diffusion.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

No arguments here.

[–] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

I think the concern being solved is: In capitalism AI makes owners lives better and workers lose jobs. In communism AI makes workers lives better because they're all the owners.

Certainly not all the issues. And in theory.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You would trust communist leaders to be measured and responsible with AI technology?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A lot more than I'd trust capitalist leaders that's for sure.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With a democratic leader you at least have the chance to vote them out. With a bad communist leader you kiss their ass or go to the gulag, or fall out a window.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 11 months ago

Communism is fundamentally a democratic system. The whole point of communism is that the majority is in charge. Maybe learn what communism is?

[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] ComradeR@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People are most afraid of nuclear energy by two reasons: accidents and wars.

The first has nothing to do with capitalism, we can only trust on workers and expect things to go ok. The second is more a fear mongering by the global north/rich people who want to make everyone worried when a global south country starts to invest in nuclear science and related things. In other words: capitalism influence.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hell I'd say your double right, accidents are definitely influenced by the system that precipitates them. Redundant safety features, emergency protocol training, protective gear, preventative maintainance...under our current system, all of these things cost money, and since profit is the primary motive, they will be the first things to be slashed when say, the price of energy goes up and they decide to maintain profits by cutting overhead.

Half the episodes on Well There’s Your Problem are "this vital part was removed or left unmaintained for legal or financial reasons until it caused an explosive train derailment."