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[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 128 points 1 year ago (8 children)

How about: No arms deals with any entity that indiscriminately murders innocent people, women, and children?

[–] ironhydroxide@partizle.com 17 points 1 year ago

Shit no deals with Boeing, Northrup Grumman, etc.

Oh well, I'm certain they won't bribe Congress to force their deals through..... /s

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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 121 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm still not seeing why Israel is being treated as a priority over or at least equal to Ukraine. Ukraine is up against a legitimately strong adversary using human wave tactics. Israel is dropping bombs seemingly indiscriminately on mostly civilians. Ukraine is fighting for its existence. Israel is getting revenge on its much, much weaker neighbor.

If Iran and its proxies enter the war, that might change the calculations, but that hasn't happened yet.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel is also rich as fuck with a strong military. They do not need financial support.

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[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Isreal doesn't need help putting the boot on helpless children.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

It's a strategic foothold in the region for the US. And "Jeebus."

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 16 points 1 year ago

And the more support Israel gets to kill those civilians the more likely sympathetic regional neighbours would be inclined to join. And rightly so. It's genocide.

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[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck Israel. We shouldn't be supporting them at all.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (33 children)

I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.

What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?

The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.

We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive..but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

The one that isn't taking away trans rights, making abortion illegal, and saying the last election was stolen, seems like the lesser evil actually. I can agree that I think our parties would be slightly better if first past the post was changed to allow for multiple parties, but i think it's ridiculous to say both parties are currently the same. Edit: As I responded to thecrotch, I disagree with the assertion that the Dem party is evil. Flawed? sure, our 2 party system will only allow for flawed parties, but to say their evil is downright showing ignorance of US politics or disinformation given the examples that I gave.

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[–] Brak@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i can’t see any of them, which means a lot of them must have been banned already from hexbear lol lmao

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe I should switch to hexbear. I feel like I’m on 2016 Twitter, arguing with Neera Tanden’s astroturfing PPI team and they’re trying to brainwash other leftists to think that Single Payer is somehow bad.

[–] Barabas@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

8 out of a total of 165 comments remain.

Went and checked the lemmy.ml version of the thread, and they sure weren't lying about the shitlibs.

[–] D3FNC@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Glory to the moderators

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, we have Eisenhower Republicans, and Nazis.

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[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you.

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house?

They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't.

The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change.

And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger.

In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans.

[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 21 points 1 year ago

Hear hear!!! My sentiments exactly! Thanks for putting it into words better than I could have.

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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

To me, it sounds a whole lot like both Biden AND Trump can be considered fascists….especially with this idea of secret military aid to Israel that I’m reacting to here.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I get why - congress is increasingly useless - but there's obvious accountability problems there.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Accountability problems with funneling infinite weapons to an Apartheid settler state? No way, the US has a high degree of integrity about such things

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genocide Joe feeling the heat in the polls.

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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Well that's not suspicious at all.

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] TKRyer@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And other lies we tell ourselves.

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[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Oh cool modern day Iran-Contra is gonna happen but with more genocide yes-honey-left

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Spineless, pathetic cowardice. I mean we already knew that about Democrats but this just indicts the entire administration as such. Israel makes no apologies for their slaughter, they just don't give a shit, but this means that Genocide Joe and Co. KNOW this is wrong and they'll still bend over backwards just to kill a foreigner.

Zero attempts at "harm reduction" pfff, they're actively taking steps to make the harm (literal bombing of children) worse. I live in a swing state, so when I throw my vote away I'll get to feel proud knowing it was worth even more. Glory to the martyrs and may "Israel" and her American dog be annihilated.

[–] TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Which shows you America Is ran by foreign interests.

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

This is taxation without representation

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He really does think this is his holy mission to bring about the yadda yadda biblical prophecy huh?

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[–] krzschlss@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I don't like this trend! War movies in 10-20 years will be boring. No Rambos, no Schwarzeneggers, no Spielberg and Tom Hanks emotional patriotism! No funny casual racism, no casual homophobia, no casual misoginy... Did Mark Hamil play a terrorist in Star Trek after all? The End of an Era. We're gonna have to watch films about how a bribed White House politicant struggles to keep up with weapon manufacture demands while managing to convince his wife not to divorce him because she feels neglected since he's never at home... directed by Clint Eastwood.

That's boring. I'm out!

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[–] moonlit2107@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (52 children)

I'm not voting for this man a second time. No more harm reduction. I'm not degrading myself by voting for a genocide enabler.

[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You getting downvoted for refusing to vote for Biden for a very valid reason is proof of how broken our two-party system is. This is why every state needs to pass ranked-choice voting. Maine did it and proved it could be done, and now they get to vote for who they actually /want/ without having their vote “spoiled”.

Everyone in the US should be working to get ranked-choice voting in their state.

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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Whoever you vote for will support Israel. US ally and all.

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[–] Zorque@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Wee! We get full harm because you only want perfection at all times with no effort at all! Woohoo!

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[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Genocide Joe knows how evil it is, and wants to continue arming the zionist entity. Monstrous bastard.

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[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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