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Disregard all rules, Get this to anyone you know in the US military now
A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
…and that hotline goes directly to POTUS landing you on some list
/s, but not really
What would make anyone look at the last 80 years of US foreign policy, and not realize they’ve been following illegal orders the entire time? You think this is where they’ll draw the line?
This is a domestic issue, not foreign policy.
No, you just don’t understand how the two are intertwined.
Oh -- sorry, I understand the protests are about immigration, which is not exactly a domestic issue. I'm talking about the deployment of the national guard.
The deployment of the military domestically, using tactics and technology that were field tested in Israel and US battlefields, is inextricably linked to our foreign policy.
The implication that there is any division between the two topics is insanely obtuse.
I was expecting you to have a much deeper connection than just "it's the same tactics." Like yeah obviously if you learn something in one place you can apply it to another similar situation.
Same tactics, same soldiers, same commanders, same weapons, same policies…
What’s different, besides the location? Only difference I see is that the rules of engagement are much stricter for soldiers abroad, while demonically they can fire on anyone they want and attack the press without consequence.
Right, but my point was that the location is different. The OP's image contains this text, which you might not have noticed:
violate the Constitutional rights of US citizens
Anyway, if your point is that "GIs aren't going to care about the fact that these are US citizens," then I more or less agree with you.
It implies an adherence to law that I’ve never seen in my lifetime, from neither domestic law enforcement nor foreign deployed military. It should be a factor, but I’ve never seen it in practice.
If you mean "should" from a moral point of you, I don't think it should. What's moral doesn't change based on your physical location. Or at least, not in my moral framework.
I’m speaking to the purported “law and order” they claim to enforce. It’s just a fabrication to justify their authority.
Reminder that "I was only following orders" is not a valid defence. It wasn't at Nuremberg, and it isn't now.
Here's the part that scares me. The only reason those trials happened at all were other countries stepped in. Who will defeat USA and hold them accountable in a worst case scenario?
There's a reason we are 50 loosely coupled states.
Define "loosely". You really think there's more than maybe 3 or 4 states that'd have a chance to sustain themselves on their own? And if a bunch of states would stick together against the others, you've got civil war reloaded. With drones, nukes, and blackhawks. Fun times.
That's the point. No other country could take us. It'd be a civil war.
And yeah, horrible for everyone involved.
Climate change will defeat everyone soon if we don't stop blowing through all of our deadlines.
I'm well aware but the people that have the ability to influence that couldn't care less. It's kind of like worrying about a nuclear war at this point, if it happens we're all pretty much dead, and 99% of us aren't part of the decision to launch them.
I've done/do as much activism on climate change that I can in the last 20 years. It's basically as pointless as petitioning those in power to dismantle their nuclear bombs. No one in power is interested.
How many decades you want to wait before there's any change?
You underestimate the strength of the 3rd Reich. It was something.
No country on Earth can hold its own if the rest of the world bands against it. If the US go ballistic, they'll fall.
I'm more scared of whoever is in charge then taking the whole world with them using the big red button.
Your final sentence is the point. We didn't have 1000s of nukes worldwide back then. If no one will dare to stop Russia attacking Ukraine with any meaningful amount of force under threat of nuclear war, why would anyone attack USA?
What about North Korea? Everyone knows what's going on there isn't right, but I don't see the world banding together to overthrow their government and change things.
I think the 100 men vs bear meme is pretty relevant here as well. It's one thing to say IF every country bands together they can take on USA, it's another thing entirely to say you could get the world to all agree to that at once. And whoever makes the first move would likely be decimated.
And you're right, if USA is backed entirely into a corner, Trump is crazy enough to press the nuke button. All it takes is him getting a few high up fanatics to go along with it. So the bear is also wearing a dead man's switch.
If nazis win this time, there wont ever be a nuremberg, because the planet will go through rapid climate change and everyone is gonna be dead.
In before this hotline is closed down or subverted.
Good news! It's still up a day later!
this is a tweet from 2020: https://xcancel.com/CianMW/status/1267890378276876288
but, the organization which operates that hotline is still active: https://girightshotline.org/
The nazi soldiers were just following orders man idk what else to say. They were basically innocent.
Don't expect that to make a difference. Only 199 were tried at Nuremberg.
it hasn't been silently taken over to disappear anyone that disobeys?
I dont think so, but If you think it has, contact JAG. Went to lookup if they have hotline, CAL GAURD JAG was apparently a trending search....
no hotline but front desk # for CAL GAURD JAG is 916-854-3505
not the same thing but UCMJ reports and legal questions are JAG's bread and butter
Don't blame the soldiers. Blame the politicians.
I went to Afghanistan. Does that mean that the war is my fault?
Newsom has the same power to control the situation as much as Trump. Both sides pander to their base.
Also, fuck Bush for extending our tour just for more soldiers to die.
I can understand deporting violent criminals. But people who are contributing to society in a positive way? Seems counterproductive to the mission of protecting communities.
Illegal immigration is still a crime, however. People who arent a criminal after that should be given a second chance if they're productive members of society.
Oh well.
Don't blame the soldiers.
The State is deploying National Guard troops on community members to defend ICE. I said nothing about assigning blame to anyone, but now that you mentioned it, I will emphatically blame National Guard members who follow this disgusting order. Otherwise, I don't care about assigning blame to anyone at the moment.
Simply being ordered to Kent State wasn't the soldiers fault.
The ones antagonizing students and eventually pulling triggers though?
There's also no evidence that undocumented people are any more violent than current citizens. Many are bigger contributors to our society.
Also, blame the politicians? Oh, I'd also blame your fellow soldiers and neighbors since many VOTED FOR THIS.
If the protestors engage the national guard soldiers? May God help both of them. I know the nasty guard won't shoot unless their lives are threatened, so I hope no one does.
“Illegal immigration” actually isn’t a crime, it’s a civil infraction — like a speeding ticket.
It depends. No, the war isn't your fault. These troops in California being commandeered by the feds aren't immediately the bad guys.
But if they're told to shoot at a bunch of protesters, and then they do, well then they're suddenly the bad guy.
What does GI stand for?
Gastrointestinal.
General Infantry. I believe it’s a classification in the US Army, but it basically just means soldier.
Well actually: "It was originally an initialism used in U.S. Army paperwork for items made of galvanized iron.[2] The earliest known instance in writing is from either 1906[3] or 1907.[2]" Also later on re-interpreted as "government issued" etc. but I guess today it just means US army soldier
General Infantry
For completeness, Glycemic Index. In this case General Infantry though.
Glycemic Index Joe, reporting for duty
gastrointestinal Joe always reports for dooty