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[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 15 hours ago

But if I don't do it, I'm not who I think I am.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The trolley problem but the only way to pull the lever is to take a nap first.

Since your consciousness stopped and then a new was started from the same meat is it still you?

If it is, then surely a new consciousness constructed from a pile of meat identical to your brain would also be you?

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I know how teleportation machines work and I won't be using one.

[–] TypFaffke@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

i do too btw

just take any train :-)

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 36 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It won't be me and, unless I have some loved one there, I'm not thoughtlessly jumping into suicide.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 35 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

If it's a wormhole or Niven-style teleporter, it's unarguably you coming through the process. Star Trek... I'll grant that the conversation gets a little more complicated.

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[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 14 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

I think teleportation is a really interesting philosophical question. If life is deterministic and there is no soul, then there should be no problem with teleportation. From a deterministic atheist perspective it should not be a problem, I wouldn't teleport myself though 😅

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No. Not because teleporter but because no need for multi track drifting if other path clear.

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[–] brezel@piefed.social 6 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

ok, i'm too stupid for this picture...why are commenters implying you die when you use the transporter? it's next to the rails isn't it?

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

Have you seen "the prestiege"? I think that movie explains the problem perfectly.

It's also a really good movie so enjoy.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Theseus' ship

Is it still the same ship if all of its parts have been replaced?

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Use a stick.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 27 points 20 hours ago

Doesn't that make it even more selfless?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

My concern would be less about whether it sends the original or creates a perfect copy, but more about how reliable it is. Getting Riker'd/Boimler'd would be okay, but having more than a negligible chance of any other sort of transporter accident would definitely give me pause.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Nah, I'll send Tom Riker.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago
[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

If we’re talking about atom-by-atom reconstruction, then the question is about philosophical zombies.

I don’t put much stock in any philosophies that say ~~you~~ the constructed being definitely would be a zombie. But I do believe in the possibility that ~~you~~ the constructed being could be a zombie.

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 13 points 20 hours ago (20 children)

I tend to think what "you" are is the pattern formed by the various electrical and chemical signals in your brain and whatever other parts of your body are involved in cognition, and since patterns are ultimately information, and a completely identical copy of some information is the same information with nothing to distinguish it, that a sufficiently perfect copy of you literally is you, and as such, if the teleporter works the way fictional teleporters are generally described as working, then yes, it is you.

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