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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Never have loyalty to corporations. They are not your friends they are your exploiters

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only professional loyalty one needs or deserves is to oneself. The rest of the world can go get fucked.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

No. One's colleagues and peers deserve respect and loyalty (so long as they reciprocate). But not the bosses.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nope. I love working with my team but if a better offer or a more exciting project came along I'm outta here. I still am constantly applying to jobs around the sector.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

loyalty and respect to your team doesn't mean sticking around in that position. It just means not screwing them by slacking off (when the work would fall on them) or snitching or scabbing etc

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's just work ethic, not loyalty.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Work ethic" for most wage slaves, is just being a good subservient worker bee that does whatever the boss tells them. It's a ridiculously vague term and your definition is not at all common sense. That's why I explicitly specified "to your colleagues".

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That sounds more like "loyalty" to me.

My work ethic applies to how I approach my hobbies and past-time activities as well -- has nothing to do with how I feel about my employer or the work I am doing at the moment.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, what I wrote does sound like "loyalty to one's boss", but not like "loyalty to your colleagues". This is my point.

My work ethic applies to how I approach my hobbies and past-time activities as well

yes, this is your personal definition. Ask 10 people what "work ethic" means to them and you'll likely get 11 different answers.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

this was my home. I feel lost.

Sucks that they lost their job. But this is why you don’t make your place of business your home. That attitude is how many companies get away with low pay and long hours. Bet Bungie told her that they are a family. She will quickly find out that the friends she made at the company were only friends of convenience. Especially the ones that still work there. Most of them will stop talking to her.

This is why you shop around after every 4 years or so or after every release and look for better pay. And yes sometimes it means getting a job outside gaming. And make sure you have a social life outside work and build relationships with people that aren’t colleagues.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I understand that sometimes shit happens and you need to fire some people for the company to survive and protect the other jobs, but layoffs should be a measure twice cut once affair. This kind of thing shows management is winging it and there should be a law to put these companies under court management before the idiots bankrupt them.

[–] coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you want the company survive then you need to cut excess spending. Most excess spending is at the top. Executives are a big waste of money. They never fire themselves or cut their own pay. No. They fire those who actually contribute value and then expect their peers to do twice the work for the same pay.

I just talked to my manager about largely the same thing, and apparently there are a ton of legal issues, so it's generally a lot easier to just lay off entire departments than try to distinguish between good and bad employees. For example, if one of the people you selected happens to be a minority, but you selected them because they underperform, you need to prove in court that it wasn't motivated at all by their minority status.

I'm guessing that's what happened here. They laid off good and bad employees because it's a lot easier (and probably cheaper in the long run) to shut down departments than deal with lawsuits.

[–] Mercuri@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

Lots of anti-corp stuff here and trust me I get it. But people at Bungie have been there for a decade or more. It's apparently a very welcoming environment. So much so that people would come out as gay or trans to their coworkers before their own family members because they knew their coworkers would be more accepting. When you have that kind of community with that kind of longevity losing it sucks no matter what the reason, even if that reason is upper management is incompetent.

Speaking of upper management incompetence though, I recently interviewed at Bungie for one of their many open positions. I made it all the way to the final interview stages before they closed the req without filling it. All the other reqs closed up too. And now this. To go from hiring like crazy to layoffs reaks of incompetence.