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[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Every time

Every single time

Every time, when the media posts pictures and names of murderers, they help create more copy cats.

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 67 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like this was an exception to the rule, since he was still at large for a while and it was imperative to the public safety that people knew who he was and what he looked like.

That said, yes, the media does need to pull back on publishing details about the killers in these situations.

[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 10 points 1 year ago

At the time, maybe, but he's dead, no reason to keep parading the name and picture around anymore.

[–] Zevlen@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

🤔 uhh ... Should I remove his name from the title of the post?

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

That's ok, I read it as Report Card anyway

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Zevlen@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

I am 2 days late, but I did it

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And nothing of value was lost.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean, sure would have been nice to have a living suspect for the criminologists or psychologists.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I bet we can figure out his motives and mental state through good ol' fashioned detective work. I'll take the first step for them, and tell them to look at his social media history. Freud would shit himself if he were alive today and could scroll a facebook feed.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.

I’m just angry he got off so easy. He should have had to face what he did.

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I disagree. More data points are useful to show the future how batshit insane our policy choices are.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t we already have ample data to support that? Like, what could we learn that would make a difference? I’m not being facetious, I’m honestly asking.

in an ideal world, what would move the needle?

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Data is data. A guy being interviewed about how he came to his plan, the setbacks he had, what his goals were, etc.

Like, are the victims just dumb luck because he originally intended a different plan that could have had higher casualties?

A deader body is also easier to sweep under the rug, can’t happen again cause we caught him, etc etc. No worries about further court dates, or him talking about his love for guns…

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Sure, I get that. My career was like 80% data.

You also have to know when to stop wasting time collecting data and start spending that energy on solutions, because the data becomes redundant.

We’ve got soooooo much data on what motivates people; we’ve got excruciatingly intricate data on exactly how and why they do these things. We know which solutions are likely to work and which definitely don’t.

We need to stop endlessly analysing and start fixing this shit. We know what’s broken, so let’s stop talking about what and why and how, and start implementing solutions, like now.

The problem is there’s little public will to fix things – little ability to see these as preventable tragedies – and too much looking and hoping and denying.

Don’t worry though – there are another couple of hundred people waking up today who will be dead next month and over whose corpses we can continue this debate. I really hope nobody reading this comment will be one of them.

(Sorry for the snark; I’m beyond exhausted with this.)

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[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What policy choices? He should have had his weapons confiscated after his recent issues under Maine's yellow flag laws, but the police did nothing once again.

[–] derekabutton@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You answered it yourself. Police policy.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.

What makes you believe this?

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[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

bunches of those in prisons already though.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It really disappoints me to see people say this when the dude clearly had mental issues, potentiated by the Army. It clearly says that the dude was hearing voices and wanted to shoot up a military base and everyone was like " 🤷‍♂️ let's throw him in a psych ward for two weeks, that will fix the issue".

Dude didn't get the help he needed, that was someone's child too....

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

He got all the help anyone could give him. We simply can't cure "I'm hearing voices and want to kill people" in a couple of weeks.

What we can do is ensure that it's not cheaper, faster and easier to go on a killing spree instead of recovering.

But that might impact the profits of the gun lobby, so they insist we instead cure every single person of every single mental health problem before they kill people with their legal guns.

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[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Quit naming them in the titles! Just let their legacy evaporate.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's definitely a lot of truth to what you're saying, but it seems like this overall effort is an attempt to shift attention away from gun control and focus on individual culpability.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

These maga-cult psychos should kill themselves first and go on the killing spree second. Ban guns.

[–] SirToxicAvenger@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

glad to hear that he's not at large - but it's unfortunate he wont be forced to stand trial and brought to justice for his crimes.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I'm fine with taxpayers not having to pay to jail him for decades.

[–] TryingToEscapeTarkov@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Until next time. Stay safe out there guys.

[–] HerbalGamer@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m all for archive links and all, but what the fuck is this:

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Zevlen@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry, I just fixed it

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (28 children)

What a coward... I regret not being able to give him his day in court and hold him in a concrete box for the rest of his long life.

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