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[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This gender war identity politics shit is just key jingling to distract the masses from the fact that the new robber barons are simultaneously fleecing everyone's retirement and inserting a knife into our collective kidneys.

Glad to see a lot of comments just ain't falling for it.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip -3 points 7 hours ago

It's not a distraction when you're persecuted or otherwise systemically blocked in ways ranging from the inconvenient to life-altering every day for something you can't control. I can take a wild guess what your demographic is.

[–] MrPiggyman@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Divide ans conquer

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 42 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Didn't we learn as children that stereotypes are bad and hurtful? Like why is this one an acceptable thing to lump all men together under the same group? The rhetoric rarely makes a distinction. It lazily doors not differentiate the different problem groups within that and stops at blanket statements that cover more people who aren't the issues than are.

When you treat an entire gender as the enemy, stop being surprised when the young men are increasingly not acting like allies.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 hours ago

The power of rhetoric being forgotten is probably my chief criticism of the “purity test” wing of the left. Perfect being enemy of the good is very lost on people who seem not to want to acknowledge that even things they don’t like might have nuance.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip -4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The entire problem was illustrated during the "man or bear" conversation. If your first reaction wasn't "Wait, I should listen to why women are saying 'bear' in droves" and instead was "what the fuck that's bullshit" then you're part of the problem.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that the original tweet is really getting at stereotypes, but rather pointing out how frustrating it must be to not know who's going to be a scumbag and who is not.

It's not all men, most certainly, yet chauvinism counties to be (an increasing problem). One of the (very make dominated) places I worked had to put up signs that read looking versus leering: know the difference. I'm male, and I most certainly get the frustration after hearing more than a few first hand accounts about how women are routinely mistreated.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 18 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

The original tweet is a response to people who are annoyed at being stereotyped. I get it. I have daughters I wish didn't have to worry about this shit. But I also think we're not addressing the problem the right way. It's actually making the problem worse and isolating people enough that they fall to the sway of fascist propaganda.

If you take this same tweet and swap out men with [your minority racial/religious/gender group of your choice] it'll probably get you banned in most communities here. But it's about men (generalized) so it is for some reason allowed.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Honestly these comments are giving me hope that people are being sensible.

Too often in leftists spaces the conversation is dominated by the loudest voices taking the most extreme black and white position. Which just pushes makes the culture war nonsense worse.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

It's pretty easy to tell the difference between venomous and non-venomous snakes.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Wait how? That sounds useful to know.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Square or angular heads generally mean they're venomous. Rounded heads mean non-venomous.

That doesn't mean non-venomous is safe. They can still bite and could transfer a bacteria. If you don't know for sure, just keep your distance.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I would like to point out the "generaly" here, I still would trust it more as a what is DEFINITLY venomous, not what is safe

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[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

The venomous ones are female? /S

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)
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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago

Reminds me of when Donald Trump Jr. compared Syrian refugees to a bowl of M&Ms with some of them poisoned. Same argument, same mindset.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 28 points 19 hours ago

So we're fixing the division along gender lines by becoming... more divided?

Feels like the insinuation here is that, as a woman, it's acceptable to base your personality on men as long as you believe all men base their personalities on hating women.

Maybe just accept that humans are complicated and nuanced and you can't judge an entire gender based on the actions of the worst members of that gender.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 49 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I understand the problem people have with men and more specifically toxic masculinity, but this gender wars bullshit only serves to further separate people. What's the purpose of saying "men are rapists" or "men are violent"? It's fine in the context of venting/talking with people facing similar problems, but because it entirely misses the sociological causes, it can cause people come to incorrect conclusions like "kill all men" or "all men are inherently bad because..." which essentialises their gender.

Men aren't inherently bad. It's patriarchy and toxic masculinity that you should be upset at - two sides of the same coin, really.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 27 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I'm going to ignore the most heinous aspects of this and just say, I'd love to be introduced to a variety of venomous and non-venomous snakes and would likely find it to be a pretty cool experience. Snakes are neat and the venomous ones are often beautiful and fascinating.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I’m with you.

One might try learning a little bit about snakes before being introduced to them. I’d probably do that. I wouldn’t want to be around a bunch of snakes and not have at least an idea of how to differentiate a poisonous snake from a friendly, non harmful snake.

If I were to assume that all of the snakes are bad or going to hurt me, I’d sure be a real dummy. There’s so much information available out there and as an adult I’m able to use that info to stay safe.

Even better that I’ll be introduced to snakes and that I wont be walking out into the jungle alone, without knowledge, agitating the leglesss wildlife. Should I infer that there’s going to be an expert there too? Makes it sound pretty cool.

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