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I’ve pushed back against western propaganda on here with direct source information, including leaks of State Dept cables and firsthand accounts from journalists, and people will still accuse you of being a tankie bot for not towing the propaganda line.
I don’t think they believe the propaganda is more true than the facts. They just don’t care.
Wow, I was wrong I thought people changed their minds based on evidence. But based on this evidence, I don’t believe people change their minds based on evidence.
Obviously the best conclusions are either that:
some people change their mind based on evidence, some don't
Or, sometimes people change their minds based on evidence, depending on circumstances
😭 I feel like I've had this argument shot for shot. The Internet poetry of it all is astounding.
Does anybody have that pic of the Twitter thread that goes like this:
People will change their minds if presented with facts
Research has shown showing people facts opposing their views would actually strengthen those views
I don't care. I still believe people will change their minds if presented with facts
This is why the really good shucksters will try to confuse you and lead you to the thing they want you to believe by making you think it was your own idea. The 101 version of that is commentators "just asking questions" about an obviously false thing.
That's what inception is, not nested dreaming
yea scroll down ;)
Wasn't there an actual screenshot of the conversation, though?
Yes I have this
This reminds me of that terrific quote from "The Internet's Own Boy": "Aaron [Swartz] thought he could change the world just by explaining the world very clearly to people."
What he possibly didn't understand was that the people in power are, indeed, perfectly able to understand the facts, but they can and will simply refuse to do so. Or, as Karl Deutsch once put it so succinctly, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Power means not having to listen."
As I grew up, I was taught to be factual, accurate, and helpful
All of that has made my life much harder
Teach your kids to lie, teach them that people want to take adavantage of them, and teach them how not to get caught up in that.
People aren't convinced with facts, they are convinced with resonating emotional appeals.
Teach your kids so they don't get crippled by the disadvantage of pathological honesty
Simplified version:
Teach your kids emotional intelligence. Everything follows from there.
If you don't know emotional intelligence... well shit, you need to go out more, socialize, live a little.
This ^
Yeah, I think that mental illness is called hope.
Nah, it's the dumb bias that smart people have, assuming their intelligence is viewed as more valuable than someone else's feelings.
The hard black pill that thinking people have to swallow eventually is the realization that the world broadly doesn't care that you know more than them, because people exist in their current, present feelings and rarely think outside of that space. It can't be helped, changed or improved. We have the same exact brains that our ancestors surviving on glaciers had, and it has the same survival tools built in. Just because our brain can do neat tricks like formulate language to make complex ideas into abstractions, doesn't mean that's natural for anyone, nor should be expected.
Sadly, we have no real choice but to try to build a better world for stupid people, because that's most of us. And yah, it will always be a thankless, misunderstood job that involves as much trickery and misdirection to accomplish as any parent learning to do housework around small children.
It's more important to aim for that yourself. It's more beneficial in the long run.
The vast majority of people don't base their positions on logic or data, but on vibes.
Then what builds those vibes?
Mostly it's our brain's innate and hard-wired survival system which is that it invents stories to explain feelings.
This worked great 40,000 years ago when we were hiding from wolves and lions and cave bears and shit, it allowed us to connect the huge cave-bear footprint to the idea that there may be a cave-bear in the area.
In our modern, complex world that lacks cave bears almost entirely, this response system has just been coopted as a marketing and advertising tool. As well as for political propaganda.
People have a misconception about the brain, like it's a logical, reasoning tool and it will make "sense" of the world. Not even close, it's entirely a story-telling machine.
This is also why depression can be lethal so easily, a disease that makes you feel bad invites your brain to invent stories to explain and treat the problem, and those stories are often disconnected from reality. Learning to identify when you feel an emotion or feeling that starts your brain ruminating is one of the first tricks to both feeling a little better and staying ahead of outside influences.
Tribal concensus
Facts don't care about your feelings, but your feeling really care about facts.
In other words, people respond to good stories that they identify with, not boring lists of facts or salient logic.
They're eating the dogs… they're eating the cats… they're eating the pets… of the people that live there.
This is the type of person who won't change their mind when presented with the appropriate argument with the right facts and data
I don't think, my family made clear they hate me because I used to do it a lot when I was young