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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've seen a lot of individuals like this in my life.... "I don't want to play, so the game is over". No dude, you're welcome to not participate, but you're not the life of this group.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's also anoying when the oposite happens. You can't join? Then we will cancel. Just fkin do it. You don't need me every time.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't it beatiful how none of us do or could ever matter? But why does orange man get to have such influence. No one should matter in this world, that's the point!

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We (the west) helped them become who they are. We relocated all our production there because they were cheap and didn't mind throwing a bunch of poor people into the grinder. Arguably, the fastest and most efficient way for them to get out from under our thumb was authoritarian rule. Democratic rule would've been torpedoed by the US or one of its European vassals in favour of an authoritarian one we installed.

The world could've looked very different had the US not meddled in a lot of countries. Here's an entire list that probably has about 70 countries on it.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

had the US not meddled in a lot of countries

Hold on a sec, you can't get off the hook that easy, Europe

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Democratic rule would've been torpedoed by the US or one of its European vassals in favour of an authoritarian one we installed.

Literally the sentence above it

[–] protist@mander.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That sentence still makes it sound like you think the US has been unilaterally directing western colonialism, but European nations have independently taken the initiative on that quite a bit

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's ridiculing the lack of agency European countries chose to have when being pulled into various wars and missions with the US. The comment additionally starts off with "We (the west)". If Europe doesn't belong to "the west", then where do they belong to?

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That sentence takes away agency from those European "vassals". The British and French empires still exist to this day. They conduct their own foreign policy and are in charge of their own internal security and territorial integrity.

The person you're responding to is absolutely right.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

Funny how you are able to use hyperbole without recognising it yourself.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Well, no - they definitely don't still exist. Their marks are still left on the places they once subjugated, sure, but they definitely do not exist anymore.

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tell that to northern Ireland, Scotland, Gibraltar, French Guiana or Polynesia.

Both countries still have overseas territories all over the world. It doesn't matter how hard you, they or anyone else tries to legitimize those colonies, that's still what they are.

Why were the French using the Polynesian islands as nuclear testing grounds up through 1996? Would the French government be so lax with testing in their own country? No - that's why they did it in a colony with 200,000 brown people instead.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In the 80s, 90s and early 00s the left was against globalism, so it's extremely weird to see things being reversed...

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“The left” is not a monolith.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The left was very much all anti globalization. Globalization was implemented by the likes of Thatcher and Reagan to save on salaries, the left was pro workers.

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[–] phneutral@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

„Hoch die Internationale Solidarität!“ (Cheers to international solidarity)

[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fyi, China is not in that crowd. China is at least as bad as the US. It just knows it can't afford to pull the same stunts. They are still an imperialistic shithole.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly in what way would China be considered better?

They check all the boxes:

  • Malicious Trade and Finance shenanigans
  • Dictatorship
  • Militant Expansionists
  • Constant Psyops
  • Supporting horrible militant factions across the globe
  • Run by racial supremacists
  • Cracks down on non-official religions
  • Massive polluters (used to have the excuse of low emissions per capita until they started reversing policies meant to limit capita)

Every bad thing you can say about the USA goes for China and then some.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I guess we’re gonna get bombarded more with Chinese propaganda soon as they’ll try to replace the US as our new daddy

[–] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

One of those things, does not belong with the others lol.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The "Christians" who take the Bible literally actually do believe that globalism is evil. But that's what happens when your religious texts were written first by nomads, then by a civilization that regularly got conquered, and finally a cult that was persecuted by the Romans.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, the "Christians" who oppose trade clearly have never even read the Bible, or even just the New Testament. Jesus spent a lot of time telling people to love the stranger, the traveler, and the alien. To treat a foreigner in your land as kindly as you would your brother. Modern Republicans have completely abandoned the teaching of the actual historical Jesus.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

That's now considered socialist and/or weak by these people. Not my words, they've says this to their own pastors. They're not Christians in anything but name and self-delusionment.

[–] nomorecids454@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Globalism IS evil. The rightards just care about it as much as the nazis cared about socialism.

[–] MrShankles@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Explain please? I'm uncertain about the heart of where you're coming from

[–] yigruzeltil@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Explain please? I’m uncertain about the heart of where you’re coming from

Globalism is such a weasel word. Esperanto-speaking cosmopolitans and tax-dodging capitalists are usually not the same. Then again, the far-right demonized even Esperanto back in the past century and might do it again if people took it seriously.

[–] nomorecids454@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yea I think of globalism as a synonym for globalization, global markets, sweatshops, this kind of things.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yay! Canada's included in the joke!

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