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Is it only ornamental? And why are they usually webbed feet (or at least they are in my experience)?

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[–] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

People used to take pride in their work, and there was a time when consumers valued quality over price point.

You're never going to walk into a charity shop and find a 100 year old chipboard IKEA wardrobe. Shit is literally made to fall apart and have to be re-bought.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 13 points 5 days ago

The average worker wasn't buying a table with carved feet 100 years ago. You're experiencing survivorship bias.

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t know. IKEA makes some great shit. They’re not the problem imo, Wayfair and other crap is far worse

It totally depends what you buy. IKEA definitely does sell crap, so does every other furniture chain store, but not everything is crap. Really depends on what you look at specifically.

[–] okmko@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's known that the more wealth you acquire, the stronger your foot fetish becomes.

It's known.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not a problem, just cast yourself in a movie if you have the urge to suck toes (or say the n word).

[–] Contemporarium@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

My n Tarantino

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 50 points 6 days ago

Because look at those cute little footsies

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 5 days ago

Because it’s cool.

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Cuz looks cool

Because it hurts less when you hit your foot against it when going to the toilet during the night

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 184 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Okay so there are layers to this question:

Why does antique furniture usually have carved feet?

First, antique furniture tends to be the fancy stuff for rich people. Modest furniture made out of a few boards for the unwashed masses usually isn't considered for preservation, but the fancy shit rich people bought got kept.

Rich people tend to like to show off how rich they are. And one way to do that up until fairly recently was through furniture. Maybe you use exotic wood, but even if you don't do that you pay a woodworker to waste his life carving useless intricate details like pineapple newel posts or ornate table legs.

The claw-clutching-a-ball design apparently comes from China, it's supposed to be a dragon's foot clutching a jewel. The British adopted it in the Queen Anne period because it's ornate, fancy and ~~foreign~~ exotic. Rich people get to brag that they got their table, or a taste for the style, "during their travels." Ball-and-claw feet specificall would fall out of fashion with the Chippendale era though fancy schmancyness would hit an all time maximum, and then the industrial revolution happened.

It used to take a skilled artisan to make carvings like that with a chisel. Now, we have duplicating machines that can batch them out dozens at a time. This episode of the New Yankee Workshop shows this off. When building his Lowboy, Norm doesn't even try to carve cabriole legs, he buys them from a company that makes them, and we get a little footage of the factory. This is why you don't see the Zuckerbergs of the world showing off ostentatious carved furniture: ornate carvings are commodity items now. You can buy furniture with cabriole legs and arch cornices at any of those big warehouses out by the highway with a "Going out of business forever" sign out front.

Is it only ornamental?

95% yes. Speaking as a woodworker I can tell you, people overwhelmingly like looking at tapered legs. Our own legs taper, so we tend to copy that. From fancy cabriole legs to simple shaker furniture. A flared foot of any kind is mostly ornamental because again our own feet flare out, but there is a bit of a practical purpose: A larger surface area with a rounded edge is easier to slide across the floor than a small, sharply edged end of a board. It doesn't tend to dig in as much, particularly on carpet. Also, the rounded features are more difficult to chip and splinter.

Why are they usually webbed feet?

It's meant to be a dragon's foot, so somewhere between reptilian and birdlike. It is also furniture, not a statue, so it's rather stylized and not very anatomical. Edit to add, sharp, deep crevices like you get between, say, the fingers of a balled fist, are difficult to carve; The deeper and thinner the crevice, the longer, thinner and more delicate a tool is required to carve it. A craftsman may design around the limitation of the tools he has by, say, making webbed feet rather than trying and failing to do distinct toes.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I agree with all of this except the part about making things pretty being a waste. Beauty has its own value, although far too often for pieces like this it was more for bragging rights as you said.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Also plenty of craftsmen make beautiful shit without being rich. Bragging rights is a weird way to say creative effort in that sense.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

Kind of my point, but a set of a dozen chairs like that isn't so much about creativity as it is cost. Still beautiful imo, although i still prefer more minimalist styles in furniture.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The artist never gets rich, but his efforts still costs more than the basic stuff.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The artist sometimes gets rich.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

Gotta do that from time to time so the others can dream on 😁

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Are you yourself a craftsman?

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I craft many things, however I only display my wealth with ostentatious hats I obtain from a madman.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, see: when you're looking at these highly ornate antiques, it's not the wealth of the craftsman on display; it's the wealth of his customer.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Well tickle me with a feather. Not every nice thing is a cynical display.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When it comes to rich people, pretty much yes it is.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hear ya. There's a line somewhere when people become shitty rich. I'm just not sure that line is at ... has a nice dining room table with carved feet or some shit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Let me clarify this part of my thinking: That line has moved a lot since the lifetime of Thomas Chippendale.

When you think about what it would take to build an ornately carved mahogany highboy with a high gloss varnish in 1750 versus today, including logging, transporting exotic wood around the planet, the actual woodworking...hell, just compare applying a shellac french polish versus spray lacquer today.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's just not ubiquitous. And to say that paying a woodworker to carve intricate details is a useless waste of their time strikes as insulting to the craftsman in any time period.

I mean, even under the most cynical representation, the patrons of the classical period were a bunch of wankers too. But I wouldn't besmirch the musicians, or the music, or what came of it in modern times.

I have been rendered incapable of seeing beauty in ostentatious displays of wealth.

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The claw clutching a pearl is just one variant of countless others. We have furniture from ancient Egypt and Rome which has legs carved as animal feet, so it is not a tradition that stems from the British via China.

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