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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 238 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 189 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (46 children)

I hope **chrome **fails terribly. Just like Internet Explorer(IE). Firefox all the way

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except when it doesn't. That saying never made sense (far more species have gone extinct than exist today) and it doesn't apply here.

Piracy will continue, obviously, but what we're seeing here is the creation of an internet we can't even fathom yet. This is just where it starts.

Also consider how much more difficult it will be for the average person to participate in piracy. Remember a few months back when Microsoft floated they were basically looking to lock down windows? No unsigned apps, no win32, etc. People will get around that, of course, but fewer people will. Especially if they continue with this trend towards stripping options and de-admin-ing all users unless they pay for an enterprise license.

Then there's the dangerous trend toward encryption being broken by regulation and possibly even VPNs being rendered useless for anyone but businesses. There goes secure torrenting.

The trends don't look good, across the board. We can't just sit here and hope it all works out and the loopholes are found, like it always has before.

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[–] meldroc@lemmy.world 205 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

And then the plan to force everyone to abandon Firefox whether they like it or not.

  1. Implement the misfeatures.
  2. Movie and music websites will be the first to announce requiring DRM to be able to watch movies or listen to tunes.
  3. The banks will be next. "For your safety, you must use an Official Approved Browser™ to be allowed access to your money!"
  4. Then ecommerce sites. "You must have DRM enabled to be allowed to buy anything."
  5. Then comes the social media sites. For your safety, of course...

At that point, the userbase of anything that's not Chrome or not DRM'd to death will be so eroded that virtually everyone else will abandon Firefox support, DRM will get enabled by default. Also, comes the lobbyists to Congress demanding changes to the DMCA to throw users in prison who dare to try to crack the DRM to block ads. "Ad-blocking is stealing!"

[–] Tired8281@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just means I'll have the shittiest Chromebook I can buy used, for access to the sites you just listed, and my Linux laptop for everything else. If their non-financial, non-commerce site won't let me in with my adblocking Linux machine, I just won't go there. There will be lots of site still, run by us, that don't do this shit, and they'll get my traffic.

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[–] DrinkBoba@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google is such a bad company. People should discontinue use of all their software and at the very least stop using chrome or chromium. They’ve got the internet by the balls.

[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 78 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I still remember old days, when most coders used to praise google. Their services were amazing and I think one of their old principle was >"Develop good products first, think about monetisation later"

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 138 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 125 points 1 year ago

We warned you about Chrome. We told you bro.

[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 114 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

The year is 2023, every single major tech companies are racing each other to become Public Enemy No. 1. And the only Hero we have is the EU, will it be able to save the day?

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[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 106 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Google and Chrome really need to be broken up. Maybe people should start writing (physical) letters to the FTC asking to review Google's recent actions as monopolistic behavior.

It wouldn't be the first time. But showing the interest is the best way to get the ball rolling that we can do.

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[–] StarServal@kbin.social 93 points 1 year ago

The internet is unusable without adblockers.

[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (10 children)

We waste intelligent minds on this rubbish when we are facing an existential crisis in climate change.

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[–] Semenaisse@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve tried internet without adblock and it’s almost unusable.

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[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Why's everyone blaming the engineers lol, pretty sure they're just doing what they're told right?

[–] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Exactly, headline should be more like "Google executives want Google engineers to make ad-blocking (near) impossible"

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[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just following orders is not the ironclad excuse some of you seem to think it is.

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[–] jlou@mastodon.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doing what you're told does not relieve you of responsibility for the results of your actions

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone. And it's a death knell of the internet as we know it. It won't be today or tomorrow, but slowly, over the next few years, expect surface level internet services to be extremely user unfriendly. I expect normies to just accept their fate and pay access fees to literally every website and service they use, while more tech savvy or explorative people might find their way to federated spaces or Usenet, etc.

[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then don't let Chrome be a super majority of users.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

[–] tonnert@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The silver lining here might also be that the internet that we knew and loved 25 years ago might actually reappear. The 'other' stuff would just become background noise to the ones 'in the know'.

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[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 67 points 1 year ago (21 children)
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[–] ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I find it disturbing that there are people out there who spend much of their time thinking about new ways to get people to see adverts. Surely it falls under the "bullshit jobs" category that David Graeber once wrote about.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

It's not just that there are people thinking about it, it's that this is what our brightest minds in our society are incentivized to think about.

There is a joke in tech circles - if you are smart enough you eventually end up in ad tech. It's really unhealthy for our society.

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[–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I don't know if it's the Google engineers that "want" to do this

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[–] PlanetOfOrd@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

News headline, October 2078

Google finds users are covering their ears and closing their eyes; releases nanobots to force eyes open and lock hands behind back.

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[–] diyrebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ad pushing is only part of the problem… These tokens will kill the #InternetArchive Wayback machine. It’s anti-library tech.

Anti-bot tech is inherently anti-human.

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are no laws stating that we have to watch or see ads, so forcing us to watch them feels like a huge overstep. Companies shouldn't be able to have this much control over a public service.

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[–] Fish@midwest.social 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is why I recently switched back to Firefox.

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[–] CummandoX@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright, today is oficially the day I switch to Firefox

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[–] jantin@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And another question: did someone already lay out a roadmap to google's collapse?

Right now we're going through a financial crisis, big tech needs to start making proper money so they try to squeeze the users. Google hopes to "drm the internet" to maximise ad revenue. Let's assume they succeed. 3 years from now the dystopia of dead adblockers is live, google and other leeches make bank off ads.

But there's no more adblockers and no more ad revenue left to squeeze out (because every internet user is already chained to a screen and force fed ads within ads). And shareholders demand increase in profits. What do they do then? Is there any hint of a long-term strategy? How long before the maximum theoretical ad revenue is reached and plateaus? Then COVID29 or something comes, fed raises rastes again and...?

[–] june@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You’re describing the inherent limitations of capitalism. Our entire economy is predicated on infinite growth, which doesn’t exist and isn’t possible. What you describe is the eventual collapse of not just organizations, but of the US as a whole.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm not even joking, shit like this is bringing back my depression.

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[–] Spruce1538@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago

why has no news site also added, "and they are using their monopoly over the web to do it" as part of their title. 😭

[–] emokidforever@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

When will they understand, if I'm introduced to your product through an advertisement, I do not want to buy it. I will make a point not to. Do not annoy me. If your product is good enough, it will be bought.

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[–] urda@lebowski.social 38 points 1 year ago (22 children)
[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao yoavweiss seems to have recently broken the 4 year hiatus on his personal blog to make a new post about how the discussions around this retarded proposal are not constructive enough.

The most constructive that can ever be said about this is "fuck right off" dude.

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It's fun to see capitalism doubling down on itself. 🫠

[–] MariaRomanov@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 1 year ago

I don't know that we're watching the internet collapse. I think we are witnessing tech companies respond to growing financial pressure by accelerating their monetization plans, and it's blowing up in their faces. The result will be the reinvention of the web. I don't necessarily know if decentralized apps are going to take off, but I do think the internet will shift towards smaller (possibly open source) sites in retaliation.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Google executives want this, NOT the engineers.

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[–] kicksystem@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Smart people coming up with smart ideas to do dumb things. When will we start shaming such people?

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[–] zerkrazus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Similar things are done with TV and streaming unfortunately. You ever noticed how commercials/ads have louder volume than whatever content you're watching? It's intentional. If you're someone who doesn't skip them and doesn't mute them, they want you to be able to hear them from another room and then they hope you'll come back to see the ad. It's so dumb.

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