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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 156 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

Don’t forget that maintenance is super cheap AND most people, with only the most basic tools, can do the work in their living room or even just on a sidewalk. And if I don’t get it right and the brakes don’t work perfectly I probably won’t fuckin’ die.

Hi, car owner here. I do all the work myself and it requires a fair bit of knowledge, expensive tools, space, and a childhood where I was never told I couldn’t do that work if I was thoughtful about it. That’s a high fuckin’ bar and requires a whole lot of privilege-oh there it is, too many people with privilege like to shit on those without and most of North America has dogshit for public transit or bike infrastructure and the “freedom of movement” with a car is all there but heavily artificial. Thanks auto industry and their lobbyists.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

I do my own bicycle and auto repair, and the bicycle is way easier. Maintenance is:

  • clean chain every so often (500 miles or start of the season) - get a chain cleaner tool thing ($10-20) and 50/50 Simple Green ($10 will last many years) and water, and then rinse, dry, and lube ($10 lasts years) - total process, 10 min?
  • replace chain - $20 or so, plus a tool for $10 or so; do every 2k miles or so
  • replace brake pads - $10-20
  • tires ($50 for a fancy fire) and tubes ($10) - replace tires when bald, tubes when flat (or patch them), and get some tire levers ($5-10) to make it easier

For tools, you need a wrench set, and probably only like 2-3 sizes.

My yearly maintenance costs for all of our bikes (1 adult, two kids) combined is about $50. If that. You could also go to your local bike shop instead for about double that.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Also this is a healthy maintence regime. In my experience most cyclists do nothing on that list except swapping flat tubes and their bikes still ride just fine, if not merely sub-optimally.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly have never done preventative maintenance on my bikes, only necessary repairs. Still thinking about repairing the shifter since I've been missing 1st gear for about 7-8? years now.

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Bikes were and still are a revolutionary technology. There's a reason suffragettes were often associated with bicycles.

[–] orockwell@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Cop pulls you over on a bicycle:

"Drivers License and registration please"

"I don't need those, I'm not driving this bicycle, I'm travelling on it officer. Private conveyance. I don't contract with DMV."

"Right you are sir, have a nice day!"

Why haven't the sovcits cottoned on to this loophole?!

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Cuz putting on a raincoat or some warm clothes is too much for these weak ass people.

[–] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I get the sentiment, but a raincoat isn't enough on its own. Sure, if you've got a 5 minute commute, you can get there quickly and spend minimal time in the rain.

A 20 minute commute in the pissing rain and you will be arriving soaked from head to toe. Not ideal for most. Yeh if you can shower at work then great, but then you've still got wet clothes you need to dry.

I'm very lucky that I have a 5 minute ride to work, all downhill, so unless the weather is biblical, I don't really have an excuse for taking the car.

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[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Rain, ice and severe cold are a removed. I like bicycles, but driving to work in a heated car looking at that poor cyclist riding somewhere at 6 in the morning at -6°C, sorry, no, I'm gonna go with a car.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

are a removed.

Bro, it might be time to leave .ml lol

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I disagree cycling in winter is nice. Just get some warm clothes and good tyres. A car is also really expensive to own in the city. Why pay for a car and parking when the alternative is almost free and arguably more fun.

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm disabled in a way that means I can't use one, but can use a car, which kinda sucks.

Fortunately bike infrastructure usually helps me in my chair, so I'm all in favor of wider bike adoption.

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don’t know your limitations, but you’d be surprised at the number of ways cycling can be made accessible.

For example, there are handbikes that attach to a wheelchair. As with all assistive tech it depends on your specific situation what is possible.

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 43 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Welcome to the Netherlands. If there's anything that fills me with pride it's our cycling culture. Most people have a car too, but I don't, and I do everything by bike and public transport.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cars are the ultimate symbol of freedom because you just get in and go wherever to do whatever.

Pick nanna up? sure. Go buy her groceries? Sure. In the pouring rain? Ok. Pick up her dog from the vet? Yep. Drop by the garden store and grab 50kg of fertilizer? You bet.

You can do all of those things with out any planning or notice. You just get in and go wherever the day takes you.

I'm a bit bonkers about bikes. I have a cargo e-bike. It absolutely could do all of these things in separate trips. Doing all of them together would be a challenge but I am 100% here for that so long as nanna is. The main difference is planning. You need different gear, like a bike trailer for example. You're also probably going to pick the right time of day, like early before it gets too hot or too windy, provided that it's not raining.

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That freedom comes at quite a cost. Both to the driver and society. Riding a bike puts the "free" in freedom

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[–] yogaxpto@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not probably, a human riding a bicycle is the most efficient way to convert energy into movement. No other vehicle or animal can be as efficient.

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[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

A bicycle gives you freedom of lightweight activities within a few miles of your home. You want to play baritone sax in the band 25 miles away? It's not happening with a bike.

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[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 23 points 1 week ago (11 children)

car go further faster, and car more useful when not in big city.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 15 points 1 week ago (14 children)

For this, bike friendly cities have good public transport (bus/tram/metro) and bike shares

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (8 children)

because conservatives are fat

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Bikes are awesome. I would love to experience the joy of waking up in the morning and riding a bike to work. No traffic, healthy and all that good shit. I live, however, 40min away from my work by car and 3 hours by bike, one way. I dont see this changing in the foreseeable future so my idea of freedom has to be something different.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A related question: why is the "big tough guy" image a guy in a truck?

Like, you push a pedal with your foot to make your vehicle go vroom vroom. A granny could do that.

Surely a tough guy is a guy who is straining huge muscles to make a bike hit 50 km/h. A skilled guy is one who can maneuver his bike down a narrow mountain-bike track.

Imagine looking back in history and seeing a dude being carried around in a sedan chair and thinking that was the ideal image of masculinity, rather than the surely jacked dudes carrying him.

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[–] Amonverite@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bikes dont contribute to climate change

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Anyone who has ridden in rain and adverse weather would know one reason cars are more popular.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Picking up a week's worth of shopping for a family, whilst taking your baby with you, in the pouring rain, and you live up a steep hill, and you have joint pain, and a sudden work meeting across the other side of town in an hour...

I'd love a city designed round bicycles (Cambridge, UK is quite good like that in the centre) but man, despite the downsides cars are amazing things.

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

I dare you to travel on your own bicycle in the depths of winter across the USA in the same timeframe as a car.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 59 points 2 weeks ago (36 children)

Traveling across the entirety of the US by car in the middle of winter sounds fucking miserable. That's what trains are for.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Eh, I did that for a couple years in Utah and it was largely fine. When the snow got nasty, I took the bus.

That was back when my commute was 10 miles (16km) with a segregated bike path the whole way. My new commute is more than double that, so I drive. But if we weren't so car centric, things would be more compact and I wouldn't have this nasty commute.

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[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

But demonstrate the incontrovertible need for a car during one's regular commute through an average modern city. And I'm even offering the main exception - busses and taxis/ride sharing/whatever the current nomenclature, as I consider public transportation to be its own independent thing, unrelated to Cars.

I think the people who would enjoy such a venture via bike have or are already doing it, the rest of us would just like to be able to ride the bike through the city without having to play Frogger with three lanes filled with enraged lumps of cortisol *wrapped in two tons of steel and various other such substances.

Edit: added * to further drive home the viscerality of my desire.

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[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Because showing up to a client meeting dripping in sweat on a 103 degree day is considered to be poor form. Because I got a new job and don’t have an extra two hours in my day to ride a bike back and forth, and moving isn’t in the cards. Because I have to carry a couple kids and all the crap the goes along with them.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

because the US sucks ass and the entire world just does what the US does is also sucking of the ass.

It's not that I disagree with you, it's that we can do better and we're not.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Arrive to work soaked in sweat because it's been 100+ degrees every day for the past 8 weeks.

[–] knexcar@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You lose the benefits of it being cheap, but an ebike is a decent solution

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