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[–] Prime_Minister_Keyes@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Polly wants a cracker
I think I should get off her first
I think she wants some water
To put out the blowtorch

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Me as Swedish/Irish. I'm like the underbaked Wonderbread of white people.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

This might be an odd question. Maybe I don't understand cause I'm not American. But using the word cracker for oneself almost seems like you embrace your (possible) slaver ancestry. Isn't that a bit offensive?

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Older white American here. Historically speaking "crackers" were poor white folks from Appalachian Georgia and the Florida "pan handle" (the bit on top) thus cracker isn't just racist it is historically classist as well.

The Jeffersons, a 1970s TV show featuring an upwardly mobile black family moving into a more affluent neighborhood, featured George, the main character, calling a few racist white folks crackers popularizing the term for whites in general.

I don't see myself as a cracker. Im not poor nor was I southern. Any ancestor that I had that owned slaves did so centuries ago as none of my relatives who could own slaves did so. The fact that I can ignore racist terms directed at my race is a really strong sign of privilege.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I thought it was ~~slang~~ deragatory for whips during slave times, cracka, as in whip cracka.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

The term "cracker" has multiple origins, including a reference to whip-cracking, a derogatory term for white Southerners, and a Gaelic word meaning "entertaining conversation". 

Whip-cracking

The term may have originated as a shortened version of "whip-cracker". 

In the 1700s, "cracker" was used to describe poor white drovers who used whips to move cattle through the pine barrens of Florida and Georgia. 

White slave foremen in the antebellum South may have been called "crackers" because they used whips to drive and punish slaves. 

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Saltines are bright white in color. Also basic and bland. Dry. Cracker

That has been my take, as a Northern white dude, at least. Possibly wrong, as always.

I think I would feel more offended if someone called me a 'honky' as I am not a fan of basic ass cookie cutter Honky Tonk country music, and I'd be insulted at such an insinuation.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(term)

I checked to see if I was wrong. But apparently, the most likely origin really is 'whip cracker', ie slaver.

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

TIL then! I love the history of words.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Same, always has big rabbit hole potential for me

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 2 points 10 hours ago

Cracker please!

[–] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As far as I know cracker is simply an insult. It does not include slave holder status.

This is a funny little meme.

(The nword does not have to include the slave association either. When I grew up there were no slaves, and I learned it simply as an insult for brown people, no association with slaves)

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's where it came from though. Whip cracker.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Crackers were from southern Ga or FL. It has nothing to do with slavery and it is a racist and classist term.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I think it's a way for white Americans to distance themselves from the cognitive dissonance of being a settler by adopting an "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy towards any term or cultural signifier that was made cool by Black people

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No it's a racist and classist epithet.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

LMAO racism against... white people? when did we ever experience systemic oppression based on being white?

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There are other forms of racism than institutionalized/systemic racism. There is never an acceptable time to be racist. There never is an acceptable group to target with racism. Permitting any racism is excusing all racism.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

please define racism, who created it, when it was created and why it was created

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why are you defending racism? Why do you think some racism is acceptable?

Do you think more racism is the path to ending racism?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

how can I be racist against my own race? are you okay?

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Perpetrating racism is being racist. This isn’t rocket science.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

/s then I'm proud of being a racist by pointing out how white people can't experience racism since this system was created by us to put us at the top of the hierarchy.

this is literally scientific consensus in sociology, claiming otherwise makes you look like the climate change deniers that say the climate is naturally warming up.

I'd also like to mention you haven't cited a single academic source to prove me wrong

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Please provide a valid academic sociology journal that provides evidence of the consensus you are claiming. I truly doubt you have any.

Do you need an academic source explaining what racism is and why it is wrong?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I need a source proving white people can experience racism. I doubt you have any

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Please provide evidence of this consensus first as if it is as widely held as the belief climate change is occurring you should have zero problems finding a valid academic source for that claimed consensus.

You made your claim first now back it up

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"Four individually wrapped varieties" implies each of your grandparents was a separate, distinct nationality

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

He's got Saxon, Norman, Celt, and Pict.

[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 2 points 17 hours ago