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[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 180 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I looked at the terms of service and noticed that they bind you into arbitration, limit your terms to $100, mandate you to travel to Delaware for dispute, and force you into mass arbitration if your dispute is similar to others.

Pass

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Unfortunately that's standard for pretty much every service in existence until the government determines otherwise or the users demand it en masse. No company is going to willingly expose themselves to any more risk than they absolutely have to. There's zero benefit to them.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Let's not call disabling the right to sue a "business risk". That's like calling the right to stop paying for the service a "risk" - it's riskdiculous.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Let's not call disabling the right to sue a "business risk".

...and why not?

That's like calling the right to stop paying for the service a "risk"

But...that's what it is? I promise if they could remove that risk with a few words in the TOS, and it was legal, they'd all be doing that too.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

And we should just accept that?

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

While I understand that, I'm in America. My first priority has to be getting people off of Twitter.

Would I prefer open source, non-profit software? 100%. It's the smarter and better choice for so many reasons.

But if Bluesky is going to gain critical mass, I'm not going to fight it. I'm having a hard enough time getting people off Twitter. I've written the media address of environments I'm familiar with asking them to organize a move, and I mentioned both Bluesky and Mastodon.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Arbitration of what? It's a free service. What money could they possibly owe you?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (11 children)

If the mods or admin do something that causes you injury, such as ignoring requests that will prevent harassment.

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[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're not thinking evil enough, honestly. Two examples off the top of my head, each being fairly innocent mistakes: If you enter your phone number for 2FA, it's not going to be public-facing. It's their responsibility to keep that information private from internal and external threats. Ok, so what if it leaks... right? Oh, it turns out the hacker SIM swapped your phone number for the 2FA, and did a password reset on your account via support chat. Still no big deal, its just social media... Except you've been giving updates to all your patreon backers on your project that's shipping soon. It suddenly vanishes off the internet, replaced with a crypto scheme, and all your supporters just flooded your bank with chargebacks. Your attempts at getting your account back are met with silence and your supporters are now furious. Was any of that your fault? No. You get $100.

Let's try another example: Bounty programs are used by companies to collect bugs and other possibly exploits so they can be fixed. "Too expensive, nobody will know if there's a bug anyway." So the app on Google Play store gets installed by 30 million users with a critical flaw... if a very specific image is opened in it, the phone bricks. All the news sites cover the bug, pushing the image to the front page. You open the app and... Your expensive phone just died. Were you at fault for that? No. You get to join the arbitration group and get an individual settlement of $12.

Think more evil. Don't stick with the "I have nothing to lose" because you almost always have something to lose. The fact these terms were even thought of and written means you do have a financial investment in the platform.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago

During signup, they make it sound like it's a federated service. It is not. Dumped it when it was explained to me.

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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mastodon has around 1 million active users³ Bluesky has around 3.5 million active users²

Bluesky doesn't have a decent way to see active user count, but it is likely higher than 3 million

Mastodon retains 10%, Bluesky retains 10% also, but I can't confirm it

Edit: Using unique likes, it shows about 2 million active users on each day¹

Source:

Bsky Analytics¹ • Bsky Stats² • Mastodon Analytics³

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What annoys me is that people are buying the idea that BlueSky is federated.

Not only is it not federated, the very architecture they designed means that it's probably not federateable, at least not by normal users.

The way they designed it, a relay is required to collect and forward every single BlueSky post. That means, as the service grows, it becomes more and more impossible for anybody but a company to run a relay. Someone did some calculations back in November when it was a significantly smaller network, and they calculated that at a minimum it costs a few hundred dollars, possibly as much as 1000 bucks a month just to handle the disk storage needs for a relay on a leased server. The more the network grows, the more those costs skyrocket.

What good does it do to have a network that theoretically can be federated, but practically costs so much to run a single node that nobody except a for-profit company can manage it?

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[–] Nima@leminal.space 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nice. Glad to see people leaving xitter en mass.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I feel like we're going to have a similar issue a couple of years or decades down the line with Bluesky. People would be better off on the Fediverse instead.

[–] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 week ago

No, this time will be different, I swear!

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

And that's fine. What the exodus to Bluesky is doing is making it easier for people to stomach switching to similar platforms, so if Bluesky also went to shit, the inertia is much lower for people to abandon it.

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[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Another corporate social media platform, what could go wrong?

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can't wait for them to bring in ex CIA/IDF types to "clamp down on disinformation".

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Love an app that defaults me to people I actually follow and doesn't bombard me with endless reams of ads or engagement bait.

We'll see how long that lasts. But for now, its a blast from the past to be on a social media app I don't hate.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Whenever I see how they keep getting brought up, I'm always reminded of that Dilbert ep about how people just fall for blue logos that are easy on the eyes. They don't even have to know what it is... just the fact that the stupid logo is blue is enough. lol

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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (24 children)

To anyone bemoaning BlueSky's lack of federation, check out Free Our Feeds.

It's a campaign to create a public interest foundation independent from the Bluesky team (although the Bluesky team has said they support them) that will build independent infrastructure, like a secondary "relay" as an alternative to Bluesky's that can still communicate across the same protocol (The "AT Protocol") while also doing developer grants for the development of further social applications built on open protocols like the AT Protocol or ActivityPub.

They have the support of an existing 501c(3), and their open letter has been signed by people you might find interesting, such as Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia).

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[–] noctivius@lemm.ee 33 points 1 week ago (6 children)

another trash platform its just matter of a time, use mastodon and fediverse to don't migrate again in few years

[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Mastodon and the fediverse are nerd shit with massive usability issues. Even I gave up on Mastodon and I would consider myself far more willing to put up with shit than the average user will ever be. The mass will - never - migrate to the fediverse and in many ways, especially looking at moderation issues, that is probably a good thing.

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[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

And how many users does Mastodon have?

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 31 points 1 week ago

Sorry to hear that, but at least some of them are not on Xitter.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is this 30 million accounts created? Active user numbers would be a lot more meaningful.

As an illustration, if you have a platform that’s gaining 100,000 users each month and losing 100,000 other users each month, it’s basically going nowhere. But it will eventually reach this “30 million users” milestone too if all it means is account creations.

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[–] ErinCrush@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (9 children)

As a former mastodon believer, Bluesky is so much better. I'm sorry but the kind of content I wanted on mastodon was never there. Bluesky feels good. Things change, for sure. For now though? This is the best we have for a replacement for Twitter.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] skygirl@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never trust meta statistics anymore because you know they're filling out their "numbers" with bots to try and keep their stock prices up.

In terms of real users I bet bluesky has already surpassed them.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

6 more months before it monetizes...

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