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[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

god is some shit made up by authoritarians to enforce their power and ideals. lucifer was always the good guy

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

God: Plagues, floods, famine

Satan: Sex, drugs, rock & roll

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That's a really bad read of Milton, which is unfortunate because Satan, being barely in the actual Bible at all, is effectively a Milton character. In Paradise Lost, Lucifer wages a war against God for the unfairness of God making himself king of heaven and earth, but then upon his defeat he sets himself up as the absolute king of Hell. He loathes humanity because he sees himself as a superior being who should rule them by right, but also demands equal footing with the omnipotent being who created him. It's summed up in the fact that one of his primary stated goals is to try to show the hypocrisy of God, because he actually demonstrates massively hypocritical behavior at almost every conceivable opportunity. Lucifer wasn't the first to demand equality, he was the first to demand social classes.

[–] kofe@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Eh...I read it as Satan being the one that wanted Adam and Eve to have knowledge equal to God.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't see Milton as the authority on Lucifer.

And once I establish an omnipotent being created me, I can do what I want on the grounds they created me to want that. That applies to the Morningstar as well.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Milton is the authority on Lucifer whether you like it or not, because he effectively created the character. Also, you're employing circular logic to sidestep the actual issue, which was the hypocrisy. Literary analysis is not about arguing backwards from a point of view you're emotionally attached to.

[–] ClarkDoom@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I love the slam you just laid down.

[–] computergeek125@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I'm gonna be honest I forgot the ad this parodies exists until I saw this show up

[–] TurkFebruary@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

How'd that turn out for him? 😅

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are only hearing his story from the people he fought against.

Eg: To the 18th century British establishment, George Washington was a Terrorist.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As was like sky Walker. It’s largely about whose perspective you are seeing.

[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

He’s got his own sick bachelor pad where he can do whatever he wants for eternity, sounds good to me tbh

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago

Depends on if you go by the movie or the TV series.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

he has their on heaven, but with sex and rock'n roll, so i think he is pretty happy