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LoglineReturning to a planet that dredges up tragic memories, Captain Pike and his landing party find themselves forgetting everything, including their own identities as he confronts a ghost from his past.

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[–] andrybak@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Reed Birney's acting is great. His soft voice is very touching.

– Be in the moment with me.

– We look out for each other. Every night we have our forgetting.

– You are guided by your emotions. They are your truth. I find them convincing. The totem teaches that we live in each moment, embrace them.

[–] Disgustoid@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, these SNW writers really bring it each week, don't they? Not to say every episode is perfect but I've found every single one to be very entertaining and exactly what I want out of Star Trek in 2023. The combination of standalone stories mixed with underlying character development and arcs is perfect.

As for this week, the idea of encountering a planet that could make you forget everything was weirdly creepy, if not a bit implausible. Even if this wasn't her showcase episode, I grinned at Ortega's "I AM THE PILOT!" moment. Also enjoyed the away team being out of sorts on the planet which I thought was well done and not an action overdose like the season opener.

[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Wow, these SNW writers really bring it each week, don't they?

Don't they just! Genuinely excited whenever I fire up the episodes and watch the intro everytime (love the intro music!)

[–] sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Nothing to add pertaining to this last FANTASTIC episode; I really just wanted to say I appreciate everyone posting here. After Reddit, I thought these kind of threads were done for, but here we are. So even if no one reads this, thank you and much love 🙏

[–] IcePenguino@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Memory loss is one of the scariest things in the known universe. This is a horror episode to me.

[–] khaosworks@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Annotations up at https://startrek.website/post/282663.

This was a very TOS episode yet in terms of feel.

The dialogue could easily have come from the mouths of the TOS cast, and the situation on the planet reminiscent of officers violating the Prime Directive like in TOS: “The Omega Glory” or “Bread and Circuses”. Even Mount's delivery when on the planet was Shatner-esque.

I can readily imagine Kirk, McCoy and a random redshirt or Chekov on the planet in Pike, M’Benga and La’An’s place, and Sulu pulling it together like Ortegas.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I agree that it has a genuine TOS feel.

Especially as it gets back to the mid 20th century thought experiments around how the mind functions, but informed my more current understanding of memory, cognitive function and emotion.

I wasn’t quite sure the balance of the scenes was what it could have been, but it was good to see all of the main cast having their moments. I was nonetheless frustrated that Number One was quickly sidelined once again.

Also I was uncomfortable with how far Pike was willing to go in his aggression in order to get information from Zack. I believe we’re supposed to feel that, but it did feel that it was pushed just that moment longer to drive home the point that Pike’s deep ethics are what keeps him in check, not his emotions. It also tracks with his anger and how he even used it to break the thrall of the Talosians in The Cage.

But overall, I liked it. It’s a deeper and more challenging episode than it may seem on the surface, first watch. I suspect it will be one that stands up over a longer horizon.

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[–] astroturds@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A very TOS episode that I thoroughly enjoyed!

Can we let La'an have a few happy moments in this season? That woman must be riddled with PTSD by now.

It was great to finally get Pike back! Has he ever told his girlfriend that he's almost certainly going to be disabled? What a pickle he's in. I think if I were in his shoes I would have let the relationship end. The guilt must be driving him insane.

I feel like they might be messing around with the timelines so that they can save Pike from his horrendous fate and just say it's an alternate timeline compared to TOS. Normally I'd be against that, but it's Pike and I love him so much that I almost want them to do it.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The nature of a time crystal is that it’s a fixed event in every timeline forward.

Once Pike drew the crystal on Borath, it was locked in.

[–] astroturds@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks, I should know that, I've seen every episode!

In a kind of sad way he does have a happy ending. I just don't want it to happen to him. Poor old Pike!

[–] Azfaa@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have loved SNW from the get go but I think its great that to me at least every episode has been great. I don't think I have felt meh or bummed out by any singular one so far. Comparing to TNG and DS9 who had quite a few meh episodes. That is great imo

[–] thomasb2k@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I agree, this show has knocked it out the park. It's in the top 3 for me; TNG, DS9, and SNW. The order changes regularly ;)

[–] Jon-H558@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean its a little far fetched a simple helmet protects the kmal yet the enterprise hull let it through no problems (until pack modulates the shield), but wont let that get in the way of a good story.

[–] echo@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

their helmets are made of a special ore that blocks the radiation. it's a goofy explanation, but there is a reason why they act differently than the enterprise hull

[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was the high pitched ringing sound really necessary, especially for that long each time? That almost physically hurt and it scared the fsck out of my cat.

[–] sammydee@universeodon.com 1 points 1 year ago

@BorgDrone @ValueSubtracted As a person with tinnitus, it seemed important to me. Let me know exactly what was going on. It's also very common in video games, for example when someone is dazed by a nearby explosion. Again it conveyed a lot of meaning to me and helped explain what they were going through.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Definitely felt like classic trek this week. Fun episode. I was really hoping we would get a more in depth episode for Ortegas' character. I did read something last year that she was getting her own episode, so im going to assume this wasn't it.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I did let out a big guffaw when I realized their bait and switch. Started it out like it was going to be an Ortegas focused episode, and then Spock comes in and pops hers and everyone else's bubble with his Vulcan science. Loved how she put the hat back on as she was walking away, as if to say "I'm gonna wear this for a while longer because I can, dammit."

[–] flamingmongoose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enjoyed this very much, the tone was very creepy. Reminded me of the psychological horror episodes only TNG really did.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would link it back to psychological mystery of The Cage and further to its touchstone, the MGM 50s classic Forbidden Planet.

[–] regeya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Rigel 7 is literally a callback to The Cage

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I wrote this as I was watching:

  • Since when have Batel and Pike have a history? Was she in season 1?
  • I wish they had a tone warning at the beginning of the episode, also I thought the tones went for a little too long each time.
  • Lol this is the anti-Spock world. "Your emotions are your truth." Maybe Spock should have been on the planet surface as well.
  • Did Spock forget how to read?
  • Did the Enterprise not feel the effects in the previous mission? Did they forget to record it or make personal logs?
[–] Randy_Bobandy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

For the last one: Spock stated that the previous mission they hadn't stayed as long as they were when the effects started happening.

[–] FormerGameDev@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

If I remember correctly, the very first scene of S1E1 was Batel waking up in Pike's bed, so.. yeah :D

[–] regeya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good Lord they established that Pike and Batel have a relationship in the first episode.

[–] williams_482@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago

The first scene of the first episode, even.

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I rewatched the beginning and around 10:17 Spock mentioned that the collision was hundreds of years ago, so they should have felt the effects on the previous mission. Then in the shuttle they mention that the meteor was already there for thousands of years.... So I'm just more confused why the memory effects weren't there before.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They said in the episode that the original mission had been so short (4 hours if I recall correctly), Pike's crew had not felt the effects.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Yup, they basically touched down, immediately encountered some nasty violent opposition, and cut their losses and left bleeding. It was bad enough to make Pike question his fitness as a leader.

[–] UhBell@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Damn I love this show. I can't help but wonder if Hemmer would have been affected differently by the radiation if he wasn't a gorn egg popsicle.

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[–] Continuumguy@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Thoughts as I watch:

  • So, I'm wondering: is Cayuga a reference to Rod Serling? He named his production company that in reference to the lake in New York.

  • Relationships suck when you are a Starfleet captain who knows your destiny to one day be in a beepie chair.

  • Rigel 7, a deep cut!

  • We have gone (ZERO) days without some sort of Starfleet prime directive problem.

  • Finally, some Ortegas action!

  • "THE HAT IS SUPREME." I'm going to have to use that in conversation.

  • Oh man, at least she keeps the hat.

  • "Subdermal universal translators" are the new translation microbes

  • Oh boy, they have starfleet tech.

  • Ah, we've got a good old-fashioned "Federation citizen takes over a world" episode!

  • "This is a cage." Heh.

  • Forgetting is a scary side effect for a planet.

  • I get that they were only on there for like four hours, but shouldn't they have noticed stuff like this their last visit? Or maybe... THEY LOST

  • "Welcome to Memento/50 First Dates Planet"

  • Can still remember how to fight!

  • So I'm guessing Spock is probably one of the more resistant to all of this due to his Vulcan-ness.

  • Man, La'An is having a REALLY bad pair of weeks.

  • Captain Pike even without his memories is still Captain Pike. Makes sense.

  • Okay, I guess Spock isn't immune.

  • Glad to see the Connie class had GPS.

  • I gotta admit, I feel like Pelia would be good in this episode given just how many memories she has to lose and how many skills she has.

  • SHE FLIES THE SHIP

  • The ship's computer is great this week.

  • Damn, that is some tough silverware, standing up to phaser blasts.

  • Is it just me or is that a fresco or whatever of Alexander the Great... Zac-ized?

  • Okay, that logic doesn't quite seem sound, but whatever.

  • So, uhm, be careful about telling her about the Beepy-chair, Chris.

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