Meanwhile there's https://loops.video/ and you should share that like I'm doing with your friends that are hooked on tiktok.
Cuz, fuck, this banning our voice thing is getting old.
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Pretty sure they're getting the internet hug of death atm.
Lol. Very true. And on a weekend! Lol. With great pow...app comes a bunch of users.
Government: We don't like competition.
I support blocking Facebook and X from the EU for the same reason.
I support blocking commercial, proprietary and centralized social media everywhere.
I don't like to be that guy, however if we play with your idea, there are some issues you will need to consider.
Centralization If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin, you name it will be forbidden as well. There is a reason why we always see some degree of centralization. Federation is tricky to get right from a technical point of view. Even when you have federation, each unit in that "web" will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.
Proprietary Sometimes, spam/abuse is fought with the help of obscurity. In other words, service providers will hide exactly how they detect spam to prevent spammers from adapting and bypass their technique. Even Signal does this. They have a small proprietary piece of code, specifically designed to fight spam/abuse. The rest of their code is open source as far as I know. Can you suggest a comparable alternative?
Commercial Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?
If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin
Signal is not social media, IRC is an open protocol, isn't it? I do not know about the rest.
Even when you have federation, each unit in that “web” will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.
I do not have a problem with that. The problem with centralized social media is that users are locked in to using some specific app because all their friends are there, which makes it harder to switch. This gives monopolies like Facebook an unfair advantage.
Can you suggest a comparable alternative?
I dunno, how Lemmy does this?
Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?
Yes I mean that. For-profit social media profits from increasing user engagement, even if that means through getting people addicted, intentionally not dealing with misinformation (because misinformation is usually more outrageous and gets people more engaged), data collection and other unethical practices, all because shareholders need the line to go up.
Apparently, Meta has just taken part in a huge destabilizing propaganda campaign here in Brazil. The kind that criminal law has punishment for.
It will certainly take a while to gather all evidence and verify it, so I'm saving the popcorn for later. But I just ensured I have enough kernel for a US-sized portion...
It will certainly take a while to gather all evidence and verify it
So … if the evidence hasn’t been gathered yet what makes you think it’s happening?
They suddenly showing select videos more times than they have users on the country.
The evidence needed is to determine who exactly and why. The what is very clear.
Another one: Elon Musk is pushing the whole Grooming Gang propaganda on X to cause tensions in the UK. As if nobody cares about victims when the perpetrator happens to be brown. It's absolute populist BS.
He is also saying that the parliament should be dissolved, and is throwing around more outrageous accusations: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/01/04/elon-musk-pushes-for-britains-king-charles-to-dissolve-parliament-as-lawmakers-say-tesla-ceo-is-misinformed/
We have people with obvious political agendas controlling the world's largest social media platforms, and it's not just the CCP.
When you said “pushing the … propaganda” I assumed you meant using algorithms to artificially amplify these messages.
But the whole article is just about Musk posting his opinions on X.
You were right the first time. Not to defend Musk's populist tirade, but I was talking about how he and others in power are using these platforms to inorganically amplify propaganda.
I'm not a free speech absolutist and I do not believe libel should be allowed. But this is about more than that just one person defaming others.
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"TikTok is influencing you politically"
So you'll shut down Fox News, right?
Facebook too. Don't forget Cambridge Analytica
US government couldn’t give two shits if TikTok steals your data. They just don’t want a foreign adversary to.
Also, they don't care about the data. They care about the influence.
"Actually, I want to own it"
Political interference, that's what people need to fear from the platform. I'm sure if it was Russian I wouldn't have to say it.
Hell, just look at the number of pro TikTok memes being shared right now, there's something fishy happening.
And their dickhead CEO is invited to the inauguration. Yeah, fishy.
Trump went from wanting it banned to not wanting it banned because it was working in his favor this time, which is... Political interference!
Crazy how hypocritical people are... X should be banned because Musk can interfere in politics with his algorithms, but TikTok doing the same thing on behalf of the Chinese government? No problem!
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Young people love the platform. Was it fishy when there were Luigi memes? Regardless of how much the state is involved with the app, it's popular.
Oh look, I must be an agent for the CCP cause I'm suggesting there's a legitimate reason for memes.
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I don't like or use TikTok, but when I see US politicians and TV "Security experts" spiting nonsense arguments to justify banning it shows to me that this is a frivolous case to benefit META and Alphabet rather than a genuine concern in data collection and privacy.
No one gives a shit if your data is collected. I (and presumably you) are not worthwhile targets. The issue is the Chinese government using social media apps based in China to feed anti-US/pro-Chinese propaganda. I'd bet $100 that if (mostly likely when) China invades Taiwan all Chinese owned social media outlets will instantly feature lots of anti-Taiwan content in every country that they may turn for help to try and turn the US population's opinion more favorable to China's side.
This has already happened in douyin, Chinese version of tiktok.
"Hey! We can't let them steal that. I wanted to steal that!"
Honestly at this point I rather have China steal my data vs. The US government. I'd be more likely to see a negative impact from data collection from the US government rather than China. China can't really influence my insurance rates. The US can.
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