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[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago
[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 30 points 4 days ago (23 children)

I feel as though there's a significant amount of extra info that isn't strictly conveyed here.

The core issue is that you only have 2 real options in america, third parties may as well not exist. So, come election time, your harm reduction option is to vote for the least evil party.

But that's not the way to solve the issue, and neither is abstaining or voting third party, IMO. The way to solve the issue happens between votes. Picketing, protesting, demonstrating, taking action, making noise. You won't solve the broken 2 party system at election time. But you do have to actually get out and take action, not just say that you will and keep letting the overton window shift right.

(Take with a pinch of salt because I'm not american)

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

All you do by consistently voting the "lesser of two evils" is kicking the hangover down the road by keeping to drink more alcohol. You know every time that it will get worse and the sooner you get through the hangover, the sooner you could actually move on, but in fear of the hangover you grab the bottler another time.

With the measures you mentioned the problem is in particular that the current Democrats are not caring about them. They assume they will get the votes nonetheless and if they don't it is fine because the Republicans will cover most of the donors interests anyways. Making noise only works, if it is followed by consequences. Leaving political violence aside, the only consequence a normal person can realize is not giving the vote if they aren't heard.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In other words, "B-but..."

Meanwhile, Trump takes office in 2 months. Keep polishing that halo tho!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's incredible that libs still haven't figured out that vote shaming doesn't work. Instead of doing some reflection on why Trump won, there's just more of the same moralizing happening.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember, Trump is so supernaturally evil that everyone has to drop their principles and vote for the blue coloured genocidal fascists, but not so evil that Democrats should have to actually make any effort to win the election.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Exactly, any atrocities that the democrats commit can be absolved by not voting for Trump. It really is a cult isn't it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, Blue MAGA has deified Trump more than red MAGA, they just see him as an evil god rather than benevolent.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

Pretty much yeah, he's the devil of their religion.

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[–] aliceblossom@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There is a better way! Ranked choice voting means no more voting for the lesser of two evils. Look into fo yourselves and others - vote to change the voting systems near you!

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also the lesser evil kills all enthousiam and loses the election.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Which is just fine by the lesser evil wing of the party.

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