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The Biden administration will allow California to ban new gas-powered car sales by 2035, with 11 other states following. This uses a Clean Air Act waiver permitting stricter state-level pollution controls to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

Trump plans to revoke the waiver, roll back EV tax credits, and fight California’s climate policies, potentially sparking legal battles.

California, leading the U.S. in EV adoption, aims to "Trump-proof" its agenda, bolstered by automaker deals and strong market influence.

The ban could accelerate EV investments, shaping nearly half of the U.S. auto market and global climate policy trends.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Will allow."

Can't prevent.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if forced to "sell" them, CA still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.

And what the registration fees/taxes are, ez pz loophole, just make the registration fee 50k for all gas vehicles or some shit lmao

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (7 children)

2035 is so far away, it's basically just postering at this point.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It makes a difference - corporations move and adapt slowly. They now know in 10 years, the ICE market will probably be completely dead in big chunks of the US market, and if they aren't competitive by then they'll lose a lot of market share

It's not enough to sell electric models by 2035 - they need to be established as good electric manufacturers by then. It'll push them to move the electric transition forward, either giving up on hydrogen or speeding up their plans

It's not the greatest timeframe, but it's not nothing

[–] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

According to this article, some automotive companies have already stopped further research and development on ICE engines.

https://www.hotcars.com/car-companies-no-longer-investing-in-ice/

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What is Elon going to do? Sell cars or kiss Trump's ass?

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Why not both?

Introduce a hypothetical Tesla Backcountry, Elon's "unique" solution for people with range anxiety. Instead of worrying about charge stations, the Backcountry can be recharged at any old gas station by filling it up with "liquid x power," which the car burns to recharge its battery while running. It's not a hybrid, it's electric /s

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So the state can ban the sale? Ban the usage? What exactly can they ban?

[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They can restrict the sale and the registration (license plate/tabs) of new gas cars within the state. Someone can still go to another state to buy one, but they can’t get a CA plate for it. And that’s on top of trying to figure it how to get insurance coverage for it.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

They're talking about new vehicles only. Used gas cars will still be available for purchase.

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[–] Subtracty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Most people can't afford EVs anyway. At this point, there will just be older and older gas-powered vehicles on the road.

Would love it if Musk could actually solve a fucking problem every once in a while, instead of running his mouth about the hundred other things he claims to have a solution to. Make a functional and cheap EV, no stupid bells and whistles, no gimmicks.

I know there are other car manufacturers, but they are too concerned about the bottom line. Musk effectively has more money than god. He can afford to take a loss for the greater good. He just never will.

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[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't really care for this given the trend of newer car design.

I want to support the environment and all, but an EV car is going to be even worse than an ICE car with having everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder. It's harder (if not impossible to customize or repair since the whole thing is based on proprietary software, and the average mechanic isn't a software engineer.

Why can I just have an EV with a damn button for volume and AC controls?

[–] teejay@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder

This has nothing to do with the engine type. This is a (valid) concern about new cars. But citing it as a reason to avoid EVs is misplaced.

Fair enough. Maybe my concern is more with newer cars in general.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are there affordable EVs being mass-produced that do not suffer from an overabundance of touch-based controls?

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

Needs to happen!

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