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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because most climate activists are seen as spoiled kids who don't have jobs or other obligations. So when they protest it's seen as them inconveniencing regular people, whose daily struggles they can't even fathom, all because the protestors have nothing better to do.

Meanwhile farmers are seen as hardworking with strong community ties. So when they take time and equipment to protest something, it's seen as something that must be important and worthwhile. Plus, there's a deep feeling of unease that comes over most people when they see things that threaten to fuck with the food supply.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 1 week ago

Which is hilarious. The main thing threatening the food supply is climate change.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

most climate activists are seen as spoiled kids

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[–] gaael@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because farmers vote for the right and the far right who own most of the media ?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

farmers vote for the right

The majority of field hands don't vote, either because they don't have legal residency where they're working or they don't have access to voting infrastructure due to their ghettoization or they don't have citizenship under current naturalization laws.

The folks who vote are the exurban land-owners and their administrative staff. They're regularly organized within religious institutions to instill certain socio-economic ideology, they are promoted based on their fealty to the local land barons, and they benefit from the disenfranchisement of their landless field hands which gives them a strong incentive to defend the anti-democratic status quo.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Many farm hands here in the Canadian prairies are local and do otherwise have the means to vote. I would say their lack of education and exposure to critical thinking likely has an impact on who they vote for though.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

~~Farmers~~ Large Land Owners

FTFY.

[–] zante@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 week ago

“Fuck starmer support the farmer”

I can just see the grin on his farmer face when came up with that one after a couple of ciders

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

because they are right wing

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

The not so petite bourgeoisie.

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Yeah it makes me so mad when I see farmer using their farming equipment to protest, or truckers using their trucks. Everyone has the right to protest, but that right should be equal. So if they want to organize a protest, gather together somewhere in a large group, that's fine by me. But once they start using their equipment that's where I draw the line.

The reason they are allowed (and often licensed) to use that equipment is because they need it to do their jobs. As soon as they use it for any other purpose, they should not be allowed to do so. It's super disruptive, often unsafe and an abuse of their rights and privileges. The impact their protest has is amplified greatly by the use of the equipment. The right to protest should be equal. I work in IT, what the hell am I supposed to do? Start throwing my laptop at cars? I'll be put in jail if I did that, and rightfully so.

They can all just protest like the rest of the plebs, like me. Any farmer, trucker or whatever appropriating their equipment for anything but their job should immediately lose access to said equipment. They earn the right to use the equipment through permits and licenses, they should lose it if abused.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Who cares, as long as they have a license plate and are impounded if used for something illegal.

I'll bet this stuff would end quick if a 300K John Deere was impounded and kept for 2 months while we sort this out...

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone has the right to protest, but that right should be equal. So if they want to organize a protest, gather together somewhere in a large group, that's fine by me. But once they start using their equipment that's where draw the line.

Nah. Peaceful protests of a few people on the side of the road doesn't really do much. I prefer dumping manure on the administrative building

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

I agree, that's exactly my point. Farmers who can do shit like that and truckers who can block roads have a disproportionate amount of power with their protests. The rest of us is relegated to peaceful protest on the side of the road (or usually in a field or on a square). Which becomes a real issue when the truckers ride in convoys for fascism and farmers support the far right.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Obviously vehicles are now allowed. Organize a protest with cars.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The reason they are allowed (and often licensed) to use that equipment is because they need it to do their jobs.

What country gives that reasoning? In America, if I wanted to, I could buy a tractor, a sprayer, and whatever else I wanted, and I could do whatever I wanted with it so long as I put a slow vehicle sign when I went down the highway.

Why would a country restrict tractors? Seems asinine.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

Every driving licence issued in the UK has a like to show eligibility to drive a tractor. If you have passed a car driving test you get a category F entitlement which allows you to drive an agricultural tractor. About 75% of the UK population are licensed to drive a tractor.