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So there's a ton of countries that I've heard have had truly unaffordable housing for decades, like:

  • The UK
  • Ireland
  • The Netherlands

And I've heard of a ton of countries where the cost of houses was until recently quite affordable where it's also started getting worse:

  • Germany
  • Poland
  • Czechia
  • Hungary
  • The US
  • Australia
  • Canada
  • And I'm sure plenty others
  1. It seems to be a pan-Western bloc thing. Is the cause in all these countries the same?
  2. We've heard of success stories in cities like Vienna where much of the housing stock is municipally owned – but those cities have had it that way for decades. Would their system alleviate the current crisis if established in the aforementioned countries?
  3. What specific policies should I be demanding of our politicians to make housing affordable again? Is there any silver bullet? Has any country demonstrably managed to reverse this crisis yet?
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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Vienna is not as good a situation as it may look. Their public housing stock is only great if you can't get into it. There are waitlists years long, and you have to live in the city already to be eligible to get on the waitlist. Private housing is still expensive.

[–] mke_geek@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look at places in the U.S. who have built a lot more housing -- rents and housing prices have gone down.

  1. Relax/change zoning requirements
  2. Give subsidies to developers for affordable housing
[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There's a bunch of available housing in my area, but it's just super expensive. I guess building more might work. My only concern is I only see larger 3+ BR housing or shared housing behind built. The days is affordable 1 to 2 bedroom houses are over. If you want something smaller, you are stuck with condo and high HOAs. Personally, I think they should bring back trailer parks and force ownership to be local.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trailer parks have the same problem as suburbs of being super low density. They should stack the trailers on top of each other to save space.

Edit: ok I guess what I'm suggesting are those builders' prefabs

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've always read that Japan seems to always be ahead of this issue due to its laws.

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[–] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People are not ready to hear this, but the problem is that "Housing" is being treated as a market, not a basic human right. As long as governments are full of homeowners who will lose a lot of money should the house prices go down as a result of abundance, the problem will keep getting worse.

In most countries, the middle class is seduced into thinking of buying a house as an "investment".

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

China has essentially zero homeless iirc. Most people own their homes

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So do most people here in Czechia. We have had capitalism for 35 years and for the first 30 house prices were stable and affordable (with no large municipal sector). Something has happened within the last 5 years and I'd like to know if it's the same cause as in the other countries and how it can be reversed.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Such is the path of decommunization. Most post-soviet countries have or will experience something similar as capitalists take the housing for profit.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I definitely do fear something like that happening. Still, how would you explain the 30 years under capitalism when it was working fine? Why didn't the capitalists swoop in in year 1 (or 15)?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Capitalism hadn't advanced towards late stage yet.

Your ideal time was always a transitory period. This end result is inevitable.

Even if you pass reforms now... that is only kicking the can into your children's or grandchildren faces.

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