Less than 20% of the Israeli population was upset at their government during the height of internal disapproval when the protests were going on. If that's the standard to overthrow a nation, then Mexican immigrants should be in charge of Canada and the US.

Western governments & corporate media tell us that “the people” want to be “free,” but they don’t tell us which people nor what exactly “free” means to them. What we hear comes not from the people themselves but from Western propaganda channels. You & I don’t actually know what actual working class Georgian people actually want.

The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.

I’ve had this conversation in the context of Ukraine before: https://lemmy.ml/post/21682024/14484504

My question was: how does the violence of the invasion help the self determination of Ukrainian people?

The self-determination of which Ukrainian people?

• The oligarchs?
• The Banderites?
• The eastern Ukrainians, who, after the Maidan coup, declared independence from the unelected government, and were subsequently terrorized by the Banderites, with tacit and overt support from the Ukrainian and US governments?
• The men being pulled off the streets and pushed to the front lines against their will?

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I doubt you actually know what real-life Ukrainians actually want, because I suspect your vision of the Ukrainian people may as well be from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I suspect your conceptualization of self-determination is equally undeveloped.

I think the reason you’re interested in the Ukrainian people’s self-determination is because our governments and corporate media have spend the last two years telling you to care. But not real-life people. These are unrealized, cartoon Ukrainian people, who all coincidentally want exactly the same thing that Zelensky says Ukraine wants. They want you to imagine that the “self-determination” that all these cartoon Ukrainians want is exactly the same thing that the extremely corrupt, undemocratic Ukrainian government wants.

When I say I care about the Ukrainian people’s self-determination, I’m talking about the real-life, flesh-and-blood working class people, not the Ukrainian state.