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[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 49 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That would be too obvious and thus ineffective. In reality it is more likely that they have inserted bugs into various open source software covertly, like we saw with xz.

[–] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

More likely it's probably a non-free repository that many people choose to use like an Intel driver or something.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Looking at leaks of the past, it's probably more likely that they have an arsenal of bug exploits instead of backdoors when it comes to opensource stuff.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah actually that makes more sense than what I originally said. The US is one of the main buyers of gray-market zero day bugs, way cheaper and less risk than trying to covertly implement bugs.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly. You have to put yourself in the perpetrator's mindset

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

There was at least one attempt. Back before git the linux kernel was in 1 central repo. There was also a backup repo. It was compromised with a very clever backdoor.

The backdoor was caught but only because it didn't have a reference to the mainline repo.

if ((options == (__WCLONE|__WALL)) && (current->uid = 0)) retval = -EINVAL;

Note the user uid is being set (=) to root instead of being checked(==) for root.

The full story.

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2013/10/09/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would they bother with the 1% of 4% of Linux users that use their single distro, they'd be better off targeting windows or mobile users.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Cloud servers run Linux. Also the NSA made the defacto secured kernel for enterprise linux

https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/linux/what-is-selinux

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Sure, but its still not a lot of users to target a single distro, even if its the biggest one.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All your metadata is on cloud servers. Your smartphone calls back to cloud servers. Lemmy is hosted on linux. It's not desktop OS that any state actor would target.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I guess I'd be less skeptical if they didn't already have access to so much more data than any one distro would give them, even if it was running all the fucking servers you mentioned. You even pointed out that they have SELinux so why would they need to make any distros?

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You and I agree that there's no reason for the NSA to backdoor an OS. It's actually in their best interests to have a secured linux OS, and just buy/collect the metadata they want.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/tech/the-nsa-buys-americans-internet-data-newly-released-documents-show/index.html

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

more than one, more likely.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

Probably Kali.