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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It is always someone retired

[–] Avg@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

You misspelled the last word.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Does it really matter if anyone has the ‘right’ to do anything? What is this Crusader Kings?

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

In practice, no. Countries and militaries and other such groups of psychos will always push every boundary they can unless they think the cost is too high.

In theory? Yes. If the rules as written actually mattered, countries would only respond to those that broke rules. In this case Russia would be responding to NATO breaking international law multiple times.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

So, Russia will stop attacking Ukraine since it has "no right".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

It's more that we won't be reading about full scale unprovoked attack on the US soil going forward.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

We should really include "full scale colonial invasion" before every mention about USA getting their current territory.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago
[–] futatorius@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, because something that happened centuries ago is as urgent as something that's happening now.

And if the US was wrong, how is Russia right in doing the same thing?

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Do I have a surprise for you

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 weeks ago

lol yeah what am I saying here, of course we will

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

If we are talking about "the rules" then UA, and as a proxy for the West, failing to implement Minsk II is the primary precursor to Russia invading.

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

"The DoD has no comment on remarks supposedly made by a private citizen to a Russian news outlet."

A retired colonel? Who gives a shit what a has-been nobody from a 20 year old administration has to say? What, are they going to do, interview me next for expert testimony on Canada because I carry a hockey stick?

It's not like Russia needs permission to attack NATO anyway, Putin just needs to decide if he wants it or not and can figure out whatever justification he desires.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

A lamed duck president taking the US into a war against the biggest nuclear superpower in the last weeks of his admin without congressional approval is pretty noteworthy.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the biggest nuclear superpower in the last weeks of his admin without congressional approval is pretty noteworthy.

If that had happened, it would indeed be noteworthy.

[–] erin@social.sidh.bzh 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

so if India use their bought Rafale to attack Pakistan or China that bring France at war with those countries? Of course not... And for Ukraine it's the same...

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

These weapons are being operated directly by NATO from the territory of Ukraine to attack Russia. Nobody is denying this, and the fact that you can't understand it is frankly wild.

[–] erin@social.sidh.bzh 4 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

oh sorry, I commented on a lemmy.ml post that drink russian propaganda... Sorry to bother... But I have one question. If NATO was really on the frontline, why NATO leader are so eager to not openly enter war with Russia to the point where it took 3 years for them to greenlight the target of Russian territory? That like fighting with an hand in the back, that would be bad strategic decision... If really NATO is in the frontline why no Rafale or F-22 in the sky? If NATO is at war with Russia, why not attacking from Finland or Baltic states to flank the army? If NATO is at war with Russia, why after 3 years there are no Nuke in the sky from both side?

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

The most heavily propagandized victims always assume they are immune to propaganda.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

That's quite the tantrum. Are you ever going to acknowledge how ATACMs works?

[–] erin@social.sidh.bzh -3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

not what I say, what I say is NATO soldiers are not on the frontline fighting Russia and unlike what Putin says, he really not want to start that war with NATO...

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

So that's a no lol

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The fact that you felt the need to write an essay about how offended you are to step out of your bubble is hilarious.

[–] erin@social.sidh.bzh -5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

As a c/NonCredibleDefense member I'm not offended by your message, I laughed a lot while writing that "essay"... but the fact that you are diverting from the question on why NATO country lives in peace without consequence while Russia spend 3 years saying they are at war with NATO and threatening of nuclear retaliation while doing nothing (not even a non nuclear missile or a bomb on NATO territory) tells a lot about the fact that you can't answer...

The mismatch between what Putin says and what Putin does is so big that instead of using his IRBM on NATO soil to proof that he has to be taken seriously, Putin used it on non NATO soil which lead to more NATO help to Ukraine next Tuesday... And Putin will continue to threaten but will do nothing against NATO countries... I can bet a lot on that... So much for the not so strong leader that is Putin... XD

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago
[–] futatorius@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But Russia bringing in 12,000 North Koreans doesn't give Ukraine the right to defend itself? What about the war crime of deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure? What about the war crime of invading a country that hadn't attacked you?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Do feel free to provide actual evidence of these DPRK soldiers fighting in Ukraine.

[–] tO0l@lemmy.ml -5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

NATO is at war with Russia and using Ukraine as the proxy. This is as true as the idea that the Chinese/NK, Indians and Iranians are all allies of Russia in this war due to the trade of weapons, oil, drones, troops, etc. I also count every US-based MNC that is still doing business in Russia as collaborators.

I'd vastly prefer that we cut the Russians off from the world and anyone else who helps them vs sending billions of dollars of weapons, technology and intelligence that will never be enough to actually defeat them. All doing this has done is led to more Ukranian lives being lost for the same end. Russia was always going to take the land back.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago

This is obviously becoming a bloc conflict between G7 and BRICS. The problem that G7 has is that it's a smaller economic bloc that doesn't produce much anything useful at this point. Western economies have become largely financialized with all the meaningful production having moved out to countries aligned with Russia.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

Decoupling immediately would be the best possible outcome for anti-imperialism so yes please do this Trumpist logic.