Taiwan’s airline is China Airlines, Taiwan’s banking is China Trust, Taiwan’s oil is China Petroleum, Taiwan’s communications are China Telecom; Taiwan speaks Chinese and has the same dialect as across the strait, Taiwan’s streets are named after mainland cities (unlike Hong Kong), the “local cuisine” is Chinese cuisine (and Taiwan competes in the Olympics as “Chinese Taipei”).

It’s strange you bring up Taiwan having “its own currency” when Hong Kong has the same and is by all accounts not an “independent country.” Obviously having one’s “own currency” does not automatically translate to national independence, and nearly every country, and the UN officially, recognizes Taiwan as a part of the PRC.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thanks for sharing this. I've been there for 2 weeks and have spoken to people and they consider themselves as independent. There's a lot of flags regarding independence around Taipei 101. Maybe they're are all delusional, maybe they were lying to me? Whatever it is, I tend to support the small guy who is being bullied by the big one.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You're almost as good a comedian as Zelensky.

[–] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

two western keyboard warriors arguing over the fate of an island nation on the other side of the planet, having likely never spoken to a single inhabitant and likely never will

~~reddit~~ lemmy baby

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

weird way to say a province of China

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Why do you assume I'm from the west? I've actually been to Taiwan and it's amazing. If you visit Taipei 101 you'll regularly see people with flags for independence. If it truly was China, they'll be jailed by now, but that doesn't happen.

[+] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I try to be but I can't ever compete with those who like to suck boots of bullies.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

says without a hint of irony while promoting US imperialism 🤡

[–] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the opposite of US imperialism is not Chinese imperialism, it's zero imperialism. But idk why I'm explaining this you don't seem like the type to understand anything that isn't a Disney/Marvel flavored good guy bad guy storyline

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Except China isn't doing imperialism as anybody who's not an ignoramus guzzling US propaganda would know.

[+] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone -6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

If the Taiwanese people wish to be independent then they are. If they don't then they aren't. Simple as.

Literally nothing you do, say, or feel will change that, because it doesn't concern you at all. No offense but you're kinda just some powerless angry loser, which exist by the billions on this planet already

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Polling in Taiwan shows that your statement is false. Simple as that.

The overwhelming majority of people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo. The desire for Taiwanese independence has experienced a significant drop over the past three years, with only 25.3% of people who want to “move toward independence” or seeking “independence as soon as possible” - down from nearly one-third - 32.4% - in 2020.

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/eng/PageDoc?fid=7424

What's more, that's despite US interference in Taiwan politics and media which is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen. This is what's known as cultural hegemony.

US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS PREPARED BY NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY PRESIDENT CARL GERSHMAN AND READ BY ANDREW NATHAN AT TECRO DINNER WITH TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN (2019): https://www.ned.org/remarks-prepared-by-national-endowment-for-democracy-president-carl-gershman-and-read-by-andrew-nathan-at-tecro-dinner-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen/
US National Endowment for Democracy - TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN HONORS PRESIDENT OF NED CARL GERSHMAN ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAY (2019): https://www.ned.org/taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen-honors-ned-human-rights-day/
US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS BY CARL GERSHMAN UPON RECEIVING THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL IN TAIWAN: https://www.ned.org/taiwans-destiny/

Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED

Taipei Times - Beijing using free market to influence Taiwanese media, US symposium told (2013): https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2013/03/02/2003556088
The Diplomat - Sunflowers End Occupation of Taiwan’s Legislature (archived, 2014): http://web.archive.org/web/20140411235449/https://thediplomat.com/2014/04/sunflowers-end-occupation-of-taiwans-legislature/
Taiwan News - Former Sunflower Movement activists join DPP, Lin Fei-fan pledges to help DPP win election, prevent pro-Beijing forces from taking power (2019): https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3744833

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT

Wikileaks - TSAI ING-WEN COMMENTS ON DPP TURMOIL (2005): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05TAIPEI4870_a.html
Wikileaks - DPP CHAIRPERSON TSAI ING-WEN ON CHALLENGES FACING PARTY AND U.S. ARMS SALES (2008): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TAIPEI892_a.html
Wikileaks - DIRECTOR'S FAREWELL CALL ON DPP CHAIR TSAI ING-WEN (2009): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TAIPEI754_a.html

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol the graph clearly shows lack in interest in unification, even "unification as soon as possible" dropped. Isn't that enough sign that Taiwanese don't want unification as of now?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The graph clearly shows that vast majority of people are against independence. I see reading comprehension is not your strong point.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If status quo means they are independent which they very much appear to me, then isn't that overwhelming majority support for letting it be the way it is, i.e. not ruled by PRC? If it is ruled by it, then why did PRC bring their vessels to threaten its own people just a month ago?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Status quo is that Taiwan is a province of China that's not independent. That's literally why the chart shows the support for becoming independent is practically non existent. If Taiwan was independent then there wouldn't be a question of it becoming independent. Hope that helps clear up basic logic for you.

Meanwhile, the real question is why the US still has presence in another country that's half way across the world from it.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If status quo means that they are a province of China that's not independent then to whom pertains the "unification"?

Surely you cannot be posting a graph that implies that there is need for a unification with a country other than our Great People's Republic of China?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They're an autonomous region. It's pretty funny when people start opining on topics they have absolutely no clue about.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The party is unaware of such claims of autonomy. Posting graphs that imply even remotely that the region of Taiwan is in any way autonomous from our country is westoid propaganda.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I posted a graph from the official Taiwanese polling, but do go off champ.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yet again you stray from our official line and you brush it off... Mao understood very well why the soviets and Khrushchev were not friends. You cannot change your narrative and constantly backtrack when it's suits your purposes. Chinese people do not deserve to be pawns of Russia. 人民万岁

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I've seen chat bots leave more coherent replies. 😂

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The graph you have posted is metionning some sort of independence opinion survey about an integral part of China's authority.

There is no Elections Study Center in the People's Republic. There is no such thing as the R.O.C. It is the fascists that predate the People's Republic. You are just spewing out links of no value and fantasy graphs just to undermine Chinese unity.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

I absolutely love it when reddit trolls find their way over to lemmy to clown around here.

[–] lustyargonian@lemm.ee -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Keep your western politics on your side of the planet. Idk what's with you all assuming everyone is an American

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

You don't have to be American to be a victim of US propaganda. US media completely dominates all of the vassal states as well.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

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