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It’s ridiculous that governments don’t use customized Unix/Linux builds.
well that's what this law proposition is about... Better late than never but for it to be passed a maximum of EU resident should sign that petition
Funny enough, I'm working in IT in government exclusively with Linux for the past 20 years, which shows that indeed it's possible.
There are a few reasons I don't believe a petition like this will change a thing though
Didn't even have to open the link to know it was red star. I've heard rumors of others as well.
If they can keep the MS lobbyists out, it's feasible, just ask Munich.
Except they couldn't keep the Micro$oft ~~criminals~~ lobbyists out
My main worry with Linux becoming more popular is that it will be attacked with more malware and viruses. I wouldn't mind though if Linux programmers could come up with better protection.
Linux is already what a decent chunk of servers run, so I don't really see it increasing malware.
The insecure parts of Linux is mostly on the DE side opposed to the core OS part that servers use. We absolutely will see more vulnerabilities in the future as Linux grows.
Many developments over the last few years have been for improving those aspects, e.g. Wayland is far more secure than X11 could ever be. There will be more vulnerabilities found, but it won't be as bad as one might fear.
Well, servers don't generally run Thunderbird and Firefox
Most of the Windows malware gets deployed by some user downloading and executing random files they downloaded on the web. Since installing applications on Linux is usually done through some centralized package manager or app store (Flathub), it almost entirely eliminates this attack vector. Running random scripts from the internet by downloading them using curl and piping them into sudo bash is a whole nother issue though. Noob-friendly distros like Ubuntu should IMO have some safeguards in place to block these actions.
Adopting Linux is the best way to help ensure European sovereignty from maga meddling.
Double edged sword. Forced adoption of a shitty distro, or a really locked down/limited system might not be a step forward at all.
From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?
The 30,000 employees of Schleswig-Holstein's local government will be moving to Linux and LibreOffice as the state pushes for what it calls "digital sovereignty," a reference to non-EU companies not gathering troves of user data so European firms can compete with these foreign rivals.
Munich, the capital of German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in returning to Windows, too.
Nope, not Germany. The city of Munich, and it was rolled back because a politician took Microsoft bribes and drank the Microsoft snake oil.
Apparently they are back on the Linux train as of 2020, so thats good news.
Until the next corrupt politician... but yeah, let's hope Linux stays, this time around.
afaik Bayern rolled back to Windows after some Microsoft "lobbying"
No, it isn't a double edged sword. Even a mediocre distro would be better than Windows, any distro would be cheaper than Windows, and there's no reason to choose a bad distro anyway.
From memory, Germany did this many years ago, and ended up rolling it back?
The city of Munich deployed their own custom Linux systems many years ago. But since it wasn't really maintained and updated, the user experience was pretty bad and the city's employees were unhappy. Then Micro$oft lobbyists also came in and made them switch - by threatening to move their German headquarters out of Munich, which would cost the city lots of tax revenue.
Solution: don't ship a shitty distro. This is the sort of issue that actual IT professionals need final say in. Not the MBAs. Not the politicals. The people who actually know what they're doing. Additionally, years ago Linux was in a much different place. It's really matured into something more suitable for both the average end user as well as professional adoption.
I mean I'd be fine with BSD too. the point should be to force public institutions to use FOSS
FreeBSD is fine for servers I guess, but due that most server administrators know Linux better than any BSD, it's probably not going to be used much. BSD's also seem to be severely underfunded and the future of them seem vague.
This is an uphill battle in the face of corporate lobbying, learned fixedness, and, let's face it, unintuitive UX that is found in some selection of FLOSS which is often absent in proprietary counterparts: something that people who are not tech savvy (tech-indifferent?) would prefer not to put up with.
However, I think the last problem can be mitigated with the right kind of focus and funding from such initiatives.
There have been many such initiatives[0][1] over the years in different countries where they eventually lose steam and fade away.
Also, is there an operating system backed or sponsored by EU that is actively maintained, analogous to BOSS[2] and Pardus[3]?
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:State-sponsored_Linux_distributions
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Operating_System_Solutions
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardus_(operating_system)
E: typo
dunno how many online petitions actually worked, but "kay guys... now... linux!" ain't gonna work.
That's a parliament petition. If it succeed it is forced by EU constitution to be turned into an EU law.
That tool is offered to EU representant to create a kind of referendum and accelerate the adoption of a law through direct democracy.
I think you're a bit mistaken. Per https://www.edf-feph.org/enforcement-toolkit-european-parliament-peti-committee/
"The Petitions Committee does not have investigatory nor enforcement powers and it can only adopt non-binding recommendations. Nevertheless, it can be a good tool to draw political attention to specific matters."
At most, it makes the parliament have to look at the proposal and decide if its worth looking into or not. It doesn't force anything.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong kind of petition to the EU Parliament?
Maybe it's too early in the morning, anyone got a link, I couldn't find any?
The post does contain the link to the petition, anyway it's this one: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/it/petition/content/0729%252F2024/html/Petition-No-0729%252F2024-by-N.-W.-%2528Austrian%2529-on-the-implementation-of-an-EU-Linux-operating-system-in-public-administrations-across-all-EU-countries
Why creating a new distro instead of using a big one and contribute to it?
They aren't building something from scratch. They probably are just going to make a base image with everything configured in a standard way.
I've always said governments and public institutions funded by taxpayers should use FLOSS and not be beholden to private companies. Any shortcomings or unfulfilled needs in Linux and FLOSS software would quickly be dealt with once large organizations like these started using it as the default, since they could easily fund whatever features or fixes are needed for significantly less money than they pay for proprietary software (especially now that these days they're forking over annual subscriptions), and thus they'd also have much more control over the making sure the software meets their needs.
It seems like a no-brainer to me. Maybe it wasn't in the earlier days of Linux but not for the last decade or so.
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