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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by otter@lemmy.ca to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world
 

There are downsides with downloading their app just to input bad data, but it's a fun thought.


edit: While we're at it we might as well offer an alternative app to people.

I posted in !opensource@programming.dev to collect recommendations for better apps

The post: https://lemmy.ca/post/32877620

Leading Recommendation from the comments

The leading recommendation seems to be Drip (bloodyhealth.gitlab.io)

Summarizing what people shared:

  • accessible: it is on F-droid, Google Play, & iOS App Store
  • does not allow any third-party tracking
  • the project got support from "PrototypeFund & Germany's Federal Ministry of Education and Research, the Superrr Lab and Mozilla"
  • Listed features:
    • "Your data, your choice: Everything you enter stays on your device"
    • "Not another cute, pink app: drip is designed with gender inclusivity in mind."
    • "Your body is not a black box: drip is transparent in its calculations and encourages you to think for yourself."
    • "Track what you like: Just your period, or detect your fertility using the symptothermal method."

Their Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@dripapp

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[–] vincenttwice@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm so sorry ladies, but you had me until the Ts & Cs. This app is a privacy nightmare. I would put all of this energy into finding or crowd funding a better alternative.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ll second this. I was going to participate in the fake data, but then I read what this app does; no one should install this at all.

[–] QuillanFae@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I accepted the terms, signed away all of my privacy, and completed a whole questionnaire regarding my goals for using the app, my level of knowledge about my menstrual cycle, regularity of my periods, symptoms I experience before and during my periods, and other conditions I have which impact my sexual health.

Only after the app had harvested all of that from me did it reveal that a subscription is required, and the only way to trial it is to commit to payment when the 14–day trial period ends. Like all "free" trials, I can "cancel any time", and like all "free" trials, it's my job to remember to cancel it before it automatically charges my card, so fuck you very much and uninstall.

Having already agreed to my sexual health data being sent to "people you can trust because we just want the best outcome for you we promise", I would have actually been fine going the whole way and trialling it if there were no strings attached, because it did seem to be a lot more about sexual health generally than just tracking periods.

When it asked for my goals, I included "better orgasms" and "sexual intimacy". It asked for my current level of sexual activity and something about my masturbation habits.

When it asked about my other conditions, it provided options for PCOS and Endometriosis. I was genuinely curious at this point. I was basically entering the responses my wife would give, and right now we're strategizing ways to alleviate PCOS–related pain. Data driven insights may have been genuinely useful. Could have persuaded us to subscribe, at least for a couple of months, had the trial showed promise. Guess we'll never know.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

I signed up for the app and there are so many dark patterns used in the signup process it's insulting.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Take all that neatly organized data and turn it into Christmas tree lights that have been sitting in a box all summer.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Edit. Doh. I misread as "i don't get it" lol. I'm leaving it anyway for anyone who needs an explanation.


Trump won the US election. The republican plan for trumps presidency is project 2025. In project 2025 they treat women as third class citizens (men are first and fetuses are second). Of the many plans for women, project 2025 aims to use data to identify pregnant women in order to ensure fetuses aren't aborted. Under project 2025 abortion is illegal, and miscarriages are treated as an abortion until proven that it was a natural miscarriage. The republican party has already started approaching period tracking apps for data, and this post is suggesting to pollute the data in period tracking apps with the idea of making it harder to identify missed periods due to pregnancy.

On a more practical note, however, individual's tracking their periods should be using open source software to track periods instead to prevent a company from giving away your data.

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Why in the world do we even need apps for this stuff? There is no reason to give your data to these companies at all.

Here's a crazy thought: get a journal. And write in it.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The absolute madlad

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[–] AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Why are such apps popular? Do these offer something more than what a combination of reminders and notes (digital or analog) providr?

Perhaps, these apps offer some insights based on the data. But would one take the risk of listening to an app for medical advice?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the only way anyone should have ever trusted these is if the data was stored locally only. There's no reason for it to be uploaded.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is the actual goal here and will this behavior achieve that goal? Are we...

Adding a bunch of bullshit fictional data into a database that contains and will continue to gather legitimate data.

It strikes me that this would make the entire dataset less useful for legitimate medical research while not really doing much against targeted attacks. I could see some women's health researchers using anonymized data from something like this, and noise from people vomiting into it in protest would destroy it for that use. Or, you'd notice a bunch of accounts all join at about the same time making nonsensical data and just ignore the data from the accounts that joined around that time. Meanwhile I doubt this will stop the Gestation Gestapo from correlating genuine data with the actual identity of its owner.

Are you going to try to input obviously fake data? Make an attempt at realistic data? Try to trigger a Gestation Gestapo death squad, trying to make the service useless via false positives?

Or run up the service's data bills and maybe take up some of their cloud storage with fake data?

Start adding bullshit fictional data coinciding with women genuinely leaving the service

What would this accomplish that just having women stop using the thing do?

I've been trying to make that point for over a decade now. I think I get to unironically drop this xkcd. The alt text mentions diaspora, lol.

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

iOS has a first party health app that has menstrual tracking. I’m under the impression Apple takes data security seriously. If you don’t, self hosted is probably best.

[–] CentrifugalChicken@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

Done. If only I could script it...

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Okay, but since real menstrual cycles are typically highly regular - wouldn't it be fairly easy to filter out the fake ones?

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Will it work if I do this from Canada? I haven't had a period in over 4 years (help, I've been pregnant for 4 years!) But I want to help y'all too!

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