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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

"Why should I care about my privacy? I don't do anything illegal."

Hmm? Do we now acknowledge that laws and public perceptions of your actions can change with time, and that you may one day become a "criminal" for continuing behaviors that were once legal?

To preempt the "but it should just be legal" whataboutists: Of course it should just be legal, but "criminal charges" suggests that it isn't, and privacy helps you not get caught. Furthermore, this issue contains but is not limited to abortion. It's time that "normal" people wake the fuck up and get on board with privacy rights.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For all of those saying Facebook was just complying with the law- there is absolutely no reason for Facebook to have access to its users' private information. The company I work for can't do anything with a customer's account unless they give us the password. We can't see anything they have saved there. All of the private stuff they have is private and even if a court ordered us to show it to them, we literally couldn't comply.

We're a small company and we can do it. A company the size of Meta can certainly do it.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can do it because you're a small company. Get enough attention, and the FBI will force you to decrypt on demand. They've done it before and the supreme court backed them up. Do it over seas and expect your US traffic to get blocked, if they don't raid your offices.

[–] EricHill78@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is untrue. The FBI tried to get Apple to decrypt a shooter's iPhone in Florida a few years back and they wouldn't budge.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

This isn’t quite right…

Apple didn’t have the means to decrypt the information, but it was within their ability to do (by writing code to do so.)

But asking a company for the unencrypted data, and forcing a company to produce a new application, are completely different things.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram don't have that issue.

[–] ModdedPhones@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Signal yes, WhatsApp yes but not the meta data, telegram only if explicitly set to encrypted otherwise no.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure self-aborting and burying a stillborn baby is against the law regardless of the status of Roe.

[–] emperorbenguin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is 100% true, but also this is less of a Facebook bad issue and more of a state law issue.

Facebook was subpoenaed to provide this info, they didn't willingly hand it over. I'd be interested to see how many lemmings here jumping down the meta bad rabbithole would have the stones to ignore a subpoena lmao.

[–] SoaringDE@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well it could have been end to end encrypted leaving no way to turn anything over. It's like turning over someones mail after it has been delivered because you made a copy of everything that came through.

[–] nemesis_aorta@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, and I know Meta would find this absurd, but maybe don’t collect that data to begin with?!

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

How… do you think messaging platforms work?

[–] IlllIIIlllIlllI@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

“Company follows laws in the country it operates in.” More at 11.