People aren't only fed up with Trudea, but the overall leadership of the Liberal party. They need a new face and name that people don't know or associate with the Liberals if they want people to vote for them.
this post was submitted on 09 Nov 2024
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And a new direction. An unapologetically pro-worker direction.
Somewhere, Jagmeet's eyebrows just twitched involuntarily
The NDP are really what I think most people want right now, many just don’t know them well enough to realize it. However, some will vote Conservative to keep the Liberals from gaining control, and others will vote Liberal to keep Conservatives from gaining control, and the NDP will continue to be a “third party”.
They need a new leader I think
Honestly, as much as I hate to say it, I suspect racism stops them from getting some votes. Jagmeet also seems to have the personality (at least publicly) of leftover chicken noodle soup.
I used to hate Mulcair, but he might actually do better polling right now.
That’s certainly a problem, but in general he does not come across as working class, he comes across as quite wealthy. He also doesn’t get policy into the news often enough, despite some things on their platform sounding good.
And then he hasn’t done anything to assuage concerns NDP policy will be bad for the economy, which if you look at the US it’s clear the perception of being good for the economy is at the forefront of everyone’s minds (whether or not that’s based in reality).
I did have someone mention they felt that having a Sikh PM would not be good with escalating tensions with India. That line felt kinda racist to me. I don’t think that’s why he doesn’t connect with voters though.
Definitely some great points - I especially like the connection you make between the economy and his platform.
It's awful that the US elected someone who will make that economy so much worse though, at least for the working class.
This is my problem with him and by extension the NDP. One example that stuck with me was the theatrical questioning of Galen Weston. That was such a transparent pointless finger wagging... It shows Jagmeet is not willing to actually employ the tools that will help the working class. He could have instead say the big bad words that the owner class is afraid of - price controls, company breakup, nationalization. These words send a strong message to people that their grocery prices might actually come down. I just looked at the NDP's page on affordability and there's no mention of groceries. Grocery prices are an acute problem for the working class.
Did you see the clip last month where he humiliated those useful idiots?
Is he still hiding under the table hoping he's forgotten till after the election?
At first I read your comment as "An unapologetically pro-wrestler direction." And it sounded awesome
A factory worker would probably make better wrestler than an exec, so you might not be too far off. 😂
Trudeau should continue. He knows how to handle Trump.
He's the only one I would trust to tell Trump to go fly a kite,
The same way Chretien did to Bush Jr and his bullshit.
The last thing Canada needs is to follow the US into the whole they're digging.
Bruh, have you seen the polling? PP as PM is a foregone conclusion, despite what I might want.
And he's also going to tell Trump to fly a kite. They can go together and make a day of it. They'll laugh and bond and throw rocks at minorities. It'll be a grand occasion!
There's potentially a lot of time before the next election, and campaigns matter.
Things look bleak, but I don't think I'd call it a "foregone conclusion."
Aren't we due for an election in 2025?
Yeah, in October. That's nearly a year away.
I'm so afraid that the American apathy will spread to us here and we'll get a right wing government.
I've had to hold my nose and vote JT because the conservative party runs a nutjob or moron to go up against him, over and over. And jagmeet Singh just hides under a desk hoping the election passes him over.
I wish the NDP got a leader who actually wants to win
Ford got a majority government in Ontario with only 17% of the potential votes.
When parties have unfavourable leaders who spend all their time quibbling nobody shows up to vote.
Everyone I know was saying Mike Schreiner was the only adult in the room but Green was a wasted vote, and all Doug had to do was say nothing to win.
Hot take - the NDP should only run candidates in ridings they're likely to win, and they should scream from the rooftops that voting for those candidates won't vote-split in favour of a con. The campaign money would go further, the probability of electing cons due to vote split drops significantly, they likely get more NDP MPs elected, the probability of a majority government decreases, hold higher power over a minority government. If it works, rinse and repeat, gaining more MPs every time.
The problem is that for years the NDP has swung further centrist instead of further left, giving us no true left party (except the Greens, who've been in damage control for years now).
Jack Layton did that in the hopes he could lead the NDP to a national win. Problem was he got sick and couldn't follow through ... so now we're left with nothing.
The Greens are also full of crazy people, and very inconsistent from member to member. Greens run the gamut of "We need to stop climate change while also helping the poor", to "Vaccines are evil, you need to sun your yoni instead, and 9/11 was an inside job that also never happened".
Even if they can stop having negative headlines, they would need a constant platform and candidate vetting process to get my vote again.
The thing about Canadian federal politics is they're usually all unknown to the general population until they're nominated. We don't follow politicians like the u.s does so much. Pretty much every candidate that loses is immediately forgotten. I can't remember the names of the last few people the cons had in charge after Harper. So if you asked me who should take over from Trudeau, I have no clue who is who and what they do. I can't name anyone really. From any party.
It's like we focus on the parties but not the individual politicians who are mostly interchangeable
Not to mention that people now consume all their news online - mostly on social media - which don't publish Canadian news anymore. So all they read about are American news.
We barely see anything about our politicians and politics.
Part of this is our polticians don't make enough effort to make their names known. It would be nice if they reached out more with what they want to propose and what they've been doing for Canadians.
I suspect the reason behind that is they are only allowed to speak publically when the party's old boys' network gives them permission. And that drives me f'ing bonkers.
A real problem.
Yeah it's like they have no individual identity outside of their party
This seems like a stupid poll, and a stupid spin to put on it. Surely the 26% are just people who would never vote Liberal?
And for the rest of the results, it's going to be almost entirely down to name recognition, save for Trudeau.
The graphic for context
For anyone struggling to parse the graph as I was: look at the red bars below the photos. The photos are irrelevant from the data.
...I really did not expect to see Christy Clark on that list, even if at only 4%. If I'd seen her running as a Con, that would not have surprised me so much. Responsible in BC for legislating striking teachers back to work with the argument that they could not legally bargain on topics like class size, something that much later finally got thrown out by the supreme court. She was a member of the BC Liberals, which were really the right-wing party in BC at the time.
I'd wager both left- and right-leaning people in BC have some bad memories of that one for differing reasons. I certainly have to imagine she'd be a quick way to lose the existing liberal voters here.
Is it though? I find the conclusions you drew along with the poll numbers useful. E.g. we have some idea who's winning the name recognition contest.☺️
Someone who is actually serious about electoral reform like the 40 liberals who did the right thing in voting to advance a citizen's assembly.
Olivia Chow should lead the NDP
Wonder who bankrolled this poll.