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And I'm being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don't understand it. Can someone please "steelman" that argument for me?

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Because most haven't I will actually answer the call of the question. Voting is perhaps the most important way one can voice their opinion. And carries more effect than most words the average man or woman can utter.

The largest argument against these types of stances is that it will create a spoiler effect. This usually operates on the premise that a vote to a candidate is owed and not earned and or that it is impossible to achieve a different outcome besides one of the two establishment candidates. This second premise being the results of people who decry voting 3rd party as useless based on a restriction with no physical or legal basis imposed on our society by our society. There's nothing stopping people from electing anyone else on the ballot.

If you can acknowledge that we as a society have this power the idea of accepting a lesser evil is weakened. If you vote for a lesser evil you perpetuate the broken system you hate. In your example Gaza, if someone feels that the issue is so important it merits a principled stance how can they not take the stance?

It's a matter of pragmatism vs principles.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 7 hours ago

Maybe if they are young. Its comes up again and again. I voted for ross perot but was lucky it did not effect the election. I mean just the 50 cent gas tax would have been great for the environment given it would have gone into effect in the 90's as a federal tax. Electronic direct democracy. Increase in education and infrastructure. It was hard not to like his proposals.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Not voting for someone who is aiding and abetting genocide is morally correct, it's not complicated.

If genocide isn't a red line for you, what is?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So you didn't vote for anyone for president?

Stein and Kennedy were only on ballots to help Trump win, and he is even worse on Palestine than Harris.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So you didn’t vote for anyone for president?

I'm not American, if I was I would have voted for Stein though.

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[–] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world -4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You see, IQ is on a bell curve and 100 is the median. That means half of people must have an IQ below 100. At some number, the exact number is debatable, higher reasoning ability diminishes.

The second factor is education/knowledge. Having none, partial, or incorrect information can lead even rational people down the wrong path.

If you combine these, you get what you are observing.

I'll leave you a quote from Deming... "Every system is perfectly designed to get the results that it does." I say this because we need to change something if we want a different result.

"Remember, I'm pullin for ya. We're all in this together."
Red Green

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