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This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 47 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Women asked for some basic goddamn respect and when they got “uppity”(because us men weren’t listening) they really got a “you were mean to me so I’m gunna elect Hitler again”. Millions of people alive today want women strip women of the rights they fought for and women are supposed to be polite about it?!

It’s crazy how weak they are and I’m sad sharing a gender with them.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 30 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

And many of those people who voted to "elect Hitler again" were woman. I think it is wild that people keep minimizing the role of the single largest voting demographic into victims.

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[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

the data does not support this conclusion. more young men did not vote for Trump, less people in total voted. almost no one changed their vote from last election. people were just convinced to stay home, which always results in Republican wins. both candidates got less votes total than last year, by a lot. i blame this on the "i refuse to vote for genocide" people that have just successfully accelerated that genocide.

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[–] TacticsConsort@yiffit.net 40 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Man. I get being disappointed. I really do get it.

But tarring all these guys with "hitler youth" when just like every other group, at worst it's a 45-55% split... Come on. That's a hell of an insult to throw towards people, many of whom are doing their best and didn't vote Trump. Doing your best, doing everything that you can do, and still being met with scorn... I know how bad that hurts. I know how it sucks the will right out of you. I know it drives people away. And even if it doesn't drive them to Trump because they're good people, it sure isn't going to drive them towards finding a solution.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Don't worry, the youth will only become further right-wing.

Here's the result of a local German state election from September. It displays the results for people aged 18-24, divided into male (light) and female (dark). AfD is openly fascist. No other age group voted for them as much. Getting 46% in a system with proportional representation is basically unheard of by the way.

I very much suspect this trend will continue.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 57 points 20 hours ago (36 children)

I can see why some young men might feel like the Democratic party is prioritizing women's issues over those affecting men, especially young men. In fact, it might seem like the Democratic party is not only indifferent to struggling young men, but hostile to them. I can understand why someone might not want to vote for a party that thinks of them as deplorable, pathetic losers.

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[–] oyo@lemm.ee 32 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Because the Republicans succeeded at fully killing education. It's dead.

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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 39 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I am Gen Z male and please do not let my blond hair, blue eyes, and German lineage deceive you. I’m as appalled as one can be with all of this. I never connected with my boomer dad or my millennial elder brothers over machismo or sports nor did I ever pick up TikTok and my social media consumption elsewhere was limited or gated by my own doing. From my experience, the pressure to conform to masculinity and male dominated in-groups; the perceived onus to keep males in power and powerful; and the propagandists’ weaponization of media such as TikTok, Facebook, podcasts, and Fox News and their ilk on TV and radio are the main depreciators of character in these cases.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 34 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

Don't apologize for the way you look. You didn't choose that.

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[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 31 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm not doubting you OP, just asking if anyone has the voter demographics data that shows Gen Z males voted for Trump because I'm interested in the #'s of the issue.

As to the question of the post: I think part of the issue is that what it means to be a strong, mentally healthy male has been left unspecified or even attacked in recent years and that's left a lot of young men confused and upset. Men get all sorts of advice on what's wrong to do, but not enough on what's right. Contradictory advice makes the confusion worse.

Are you supposed to chase a girl or is that creepy? How do you navigate increased romantic isolation and dating apps in a healthy way? What are expectations about being the sole income provider a la tradition? In that vacuum confident, opinionated, clear voices are persuasive, and a lot of those voices are the jackasses pushing a toxic masculinity and telling males to reclaim it. We need more strong, positive male role models and visible social support of them if we want to win young men back - they have to know that being better will yield rewards.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 27 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

No you're fair to do so, here's the demographic breakdowns and differences between 2020 and 2024 from NBC exit polls.

The particular thing to note is that Trump support jumped from 36% to 42% in the 18-29 demographic, while the other age groups remained steady, this is what I think the tweet is going off of.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (4 children)

Sometimes it feels like a man need to feel guilty just for being a man, even if they have done absolutely nothing wrong.

I don't know in America. Here in Spain there is a trend in which to be "feminist" somehow you have to admit that you are a little sexist, because are men are sexist even a little. It is an absolute. It's not even "a majority of men.." its all, no other opinions accepted.

And if you decline that premise, and just say "I'm not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender" you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.

And I refuse that. I refuse to accept having done things that I have not done. Same I reject accepting responsibility for things I have not made or enabled. And some people still want me to accept that guilt.

That trend needs to die. I know that it creates sorority making the "all of us vs all of them" rhetoric, but my humble believe is that that path do not lead to the desired destination.

Edit: I was going to start the comment with "As a man" as it was my assigned at birth gender. But in all true and while for confort I just let most people treat me with masculine gender I just do not believe in gender as a social construct. Not that I do not believe as in I do not believe it exist, I do not believe that gender is a desirable social construct we need to keep in our society. But that's just my opinion.

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