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[–] Prefeitura@lemmy.eco.br 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

About 10 years ago I first heard about zionism as an ethnic supremacist movement from a jew. I had no opinion on it whatsoever, and decided to ask this friend of mine exactly because he was Jewish. I was curious about history and t religion, which he is knowledgeable about, and the subject went on middle east and Israel. He didn't recognize Israel as an legitimate estate and was horrified by Israel actions against humans rights - surprisingly, including against black jews.

That was a pretty solid ground for me to understand that Israel isn't "the jews", even though it is a (white) jewish based supremacist ethnoestate, just as much as the nazi Germany isn't "the caucasians".

It IS, thought, a state structure with colonizing domination plans, which happen to use ethnicity as a legitimizing card.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Speaking of Germans, Germany’s “special relationship” with Israel has so many Germans so propagandized and so confidently incorrect in their “enlightened” understanding of Zionism and of the state of Israel. Maybe a little less so in the last few months, as some surely must be going through painful realizations of the truth. It’s weaponized historical collective guilt.

[–] Prefeitura@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 2 weeks ago

that's fuked up

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Israel has been weaponizing the guilt card since it’s inception.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well, THAT's refreshing. Maybe the West will start questioning the intellectual fallacy that is an ethno-religious-centric democracy. Hell, Israeli intellectuals are starting to realize it and emigrate.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

What's this? Actually considering the arguments presented and not dismissing them as antisemitic out of hand? Are western judicial systems allowed to do this?