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[–] halfwaythere@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can you shoot? Can you move? Can you communicate?

Then who the fuck cares who you prefer to be involved with!? Especially when a lot of soldiers/officers seem to like to be with other people's wives/husbands!

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

I would argue that half the army recruits can only do two out of the three of those, and half them only one at a time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

This is the same reason why women should be allowed the same combat positions as men. They still aren't and it's stupid.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

If I remember correctly, the US started rolling back restrictions in 2013. Progress has definitely been slow, and we aren't where we should be yet, but things are moving in the right direction.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is it because things are moving slow, or because there just isn't as many women as men signing up?

I imagine there's a natural imbalance between who wants to sign up. I'm just spitballing though, happy to be wrong.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

There are definitely fewer women In the military in general. And many fewer women pursuing certain positions, like Rangers or SEALs.

The institutions moved slowly, too. Some groups within the military were hesitant to open up fully to women. And there are the usual systemic hurdles, like physical fitness tests that favored male physiques, which put women at a disadvantage until they were changed.

I think women's participation in the military will mirror what we have seen in women's athletics: as it becomes more common we will see closer parity between women and men. I also suspect the services will find that women tend to perform certain skills better than men.

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

We still have a ways to go with psychologist research, to be fair. My dad served two tours between 2003-2006 and only more recently came to understand PTSD isn't something you just "get over."

Same for sexism. It's not easy for service members to get over that engrained idea of protecting women at the cost of the team. There's a lot of promising research in resilience studies preparing military members prior to entering combat that I think could apply. As long as researchers and artists involved in VR type training are careful to include particular elements like more femme voices and such, it can be overcome before it's an issue in active combat

And to be clear, I'm not familiar with the research veterans have cited to me that it is an issue to begin with. I've only really looked at PTSD and the use of VR for exposure therapy and CBT. I'm inclined to believe it would be an issue for at least some men. I'd like to look at Israel as a case study example when I get some time since they've had compulsory service for men and women for a while now

[–] IceHouse@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 hours ago

Progress would be abolishing the military not dooming more people to be killed for imperialism

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Name one combat position women aren't allowed in (US).

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Navy SEAL when I was in. That may have changed since then, I've been out for well over a decade.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago

"Well over a decade" ago is very different than today.

In 2013, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta removed the military's ban on women serving in combat, overturning the 1994 rule. Panetta's decision gave the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believed any positions must remain closed to women. The services had until May 2013 to draw up a plan for opening all units to women and until the end of 2015 to actually implement it.

In December 2015, Defense Secretary Ash Carter stated that starting in 2016 all combat jobs would open to women.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

You're giving squids a bad name. Surely you understood the question refers to present, not the past, right?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“Since DADT repeal [in 2010], many veterans who sought to upgrade their less than honorable discharges reported a prolonged and burdensome process, often requiring the use of a lawyer, to seek the respect and benefits they rightfully earned,” the letter stated. “And far too many veterans discharged under DADT had no idea they could seek an upgrade or where to start the process.”

Austin said today that 96% of the service members who were separated under DADT now have an honorable discharge.

“We will continue to strive to do right by every American patriot who has honorably served their country,” he said.

Glad the Biden Admin proactively upgraded their discharge statuses so no more veterans have to fight to change theirs

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Glad the Biden Admin proactively upgraded their discharge statuses so no more veterans have to fight to change theirs

Nooo! Shut up! We have to focus on the horrible genocide in Gaza, while steering hard away from the horrible genocide in Ukraine!!!

--all of .ml

[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 7 hours ago

Are you saying this outweighs supporting a genocide?

Like oh he might have killed someone but he did pay his parking tickets. There is no comparison here.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago

They also don't want you to talk about the genocide those now honorably discharged veterans are facing in event of a Trump victory.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Drag hopes they also want to do right by the unpatriotic veterans who honorably served their country and in the process got disillusioned and radicalised.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 93 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Congratulations to all of you!

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm loving how there are people responding to this that I've blocked (their comments won't load). I can only imagine what they're complaining about.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

In this case, the response you had blocked is worth seeing just because it was weird as fuck:

Not sure, who you are congratulating and what does love have to do with army related things?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Oh man. That's sad. It doesn't even make any sense.

"What does congratulating service members have to do with the army things?".

Uhhh

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Idk personally, it's a little gay.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

I honorably laughed. Oh you

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I hate to double reply... But it's crazy how many mental people are on Lemmy. It blows my mind sometimes.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Try a chan, this is sanity.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

I already ate. Thank you though

[–] FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This should've been done sooner.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All justice should be swifter. I'm still glad some people got acknowledged.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They worked hard! They deserve to be appreciated!