They are really satisfying when they work. I have been impressed by how well they work cross platform in the new bitwarden. It even worked from Android one time with a key made on windows! However, I dread when my mom tells me she needs help with an account and I can't do anything because the key is on her iOS Keychain I don't have access to
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I remember when Microsoft made a big deal about this on Windows and then their "implementation" was making the local signon a number PIN.
And not a proper separate auth operation lol. You either set up almost everything with the PIN or use a regular password, not both. Makes it useless on enterprise.
Realistically we should all be using a key/pass vault since that would make using passkeys much easier, but that's too complicated for the internet in ~~2004~~ 2024.
If it were me, I'd just issue everyone a yubikey.
What separate auth operation is needed besides authenticating with the local device to unlock a passkey?
I'm lost on this - is this better than GPG?
More usable for the average user and more supported by actual sites and services, so yes.
Does it require an array of fucking containers and a flurry of webAPI calls? Then no.
No it's actually pretty simple. No containers. Your passkeys can be managed in the browser (Google Passwords), by a plug-in like BitWarden, or in a third party hardware device like YubiKey.
I still have no idea how to use passkeys. It doesn't seem obvious to the average user.
I tried adding a passkey to an account, and all it does is cause a Firefox notification that says "touch your security key to continue with [website URL]". It is not clear what to do next.
After my password manager auto filled a password and logged me in the website said "Tired of remembering passwords? Want to add a passkey?" I didn't know what it meant so I said no lol.
Me too, I don't trust the system and I don't want to be locked into a specific browser and/or device.
I think you actually have to buy a passkey device. Then configure it to work with a particular account.
You plug the passkey into your computer and then whenever it asks for a password you literally touch it and it does its thing. I think there are options like biometrics that you can add on top but you don't have to have that.
Devices themselves can act as passkeys too - I.e. your phone, laptop etc...
...except the ones that can't
I think it depends on whether you have a TPM chip in it
What are you talking about? KeepassXC, to my knowledge, is not dependent on any TPM, snd it does support passkeys.
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If that's what's needed, I can say with some certainty that adoption isn't going to be picking up any time this decade.
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ITT: Incredibly non-technical people who don’t have the first clue how Passkeys work but are convinced they’re bad due to imaginary problems that were addressed in this very article.
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If the passkeys aren't managed by your devices fully offline then you're just deeper into being hostage to a corporation.
That's a great way to lose access if your device gets lost, stolen, or destroyed. Which is why I'm against and will continue to be against forcing 2FA and MFA solutions onto people. I don't want this, services don't care if we're locked out which is why they're happy to force this shit onto people.
In case the device gets lost/stolen, you should have a backup of the database that contained the passkeys. That's why I would be only using the implementations that allow doing that easily.
Well yeah, that is true. Security and convenience are usually at odds... MFA has place, unless you don't mind some guy from russia access your online bank account ; but I definitely wouldn't use it on all my accounts.
Yeah and since Online bank accounts can also almost always be reset if you lose the 2FA/MFA key by calling customer support, or going to your bank and speaking with themt in person, there's almost no risk of losing access completely. It's a service you have access to because you're you. Something that isn't the case with Reddit, Github, Lemmy accounts, or Masotodon. I'm not able to regain access after losing those 2FA solutions by virtue of being myself, they treat you just like the attacker in those cases. Really not worth it there, both since what is being protected isn't worth it, and the risk far outweighs it.
Access to my main email account (outlook) is currently blocked because someone decided to try a password from some earlier leak and locked it. It can only be unlocked with SMS MFA, which I can't use because I'm travelling abroad. There is no other way to do it. The other option they give you a form that only works if you don't have MFA set up (it says so on the faq). I even asked someone to fill the form from my home computer so the location data matches earlier accesses, but didn't work. You also can't contact support without logging in. If I had lost/changed that phone number for any reason, I would lose access forever. Luckily I will be back home soon.
I had a similar scary situation like that before where the phone number linked to the account wasn't mine anymore. Luckily I was able to get back because I was still logged in on another computer and it hadn't kicked me out yet, I was able to go to account settings and remove the phone number, then google let me log into the account again. Had I been kicked out of the account, I would've lost it for sure.
Y'all here talking so smart ignore another thing - the more complex your solutions are, the deeper you are into being hostage to everyone capable of making the effort to own you.
Don't wanna be hostage - don't use corporate and cloud services for things you need more than a bus ticket.
You are being gaslighted to think today's problems can be solved by more complexity. In fact the future is in generalizing and simplifying what exists. I'm optimistic over a few projects, some of which already work, and some of which are in alpha.
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Literally just use a password manager and 2/MFA. It’s not a problem. We have a solution.
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I'll switch when it's fully implemented in open source and only I am the one with the private key. Until then its just more corporate blowjobs with extra steps.
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