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The Moral Case for No Longer Engaging With Elon Musk’s X::The former Twitter is incentivizing violent content, which will only become worse to stand out to users.

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[–] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 183 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Then stop already. Stop mentioning the name. Stop posting articles about it. Stop sharing articles about it on other social media.

You know what's immoral? Posting ragebait articles about a platform because you know users will engage.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I dunno', kinda' sounds similar to, "racism would be over if you'd just shut up about it."

X and Elon don't magically disappear because you choose to ignore them.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it would be similar to that if racism was a business that survived based on engagement.

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[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure if we just ignore rich and powerful people, they'll go away.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago

Twitter has millions of users. Not talking about its issues clearly won’t solve the problem.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Can we all just boycott anything having to do with Musk/Twitter? I just want a browser extension that will automatically prevent me from going to a site that has any sort of links or anything related to twitter. Your blog also links to your Twitter account? Fuck you, I'm not reading it. Your news story references a tweet from somebody? Fuck you I'm not reading it. Your Lemmy post talks about Musk or Twitter? Fuck you, I'm not reading it. I just want all mention of Musk or Twitter or X completely erased from the internet. It may unfortunately impact any reference to anything else 'X' related, but that's a small price to pay for a Musk-free life.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Devil's advocate, it should be amplified as much as possible, because it reminds the public that billionaires are not inherently intelligent nor worthy of their money.

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[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I made a burner to see for myself after using it for work a few years ago. It’s a complete dumpster fire now, way worse than before. Bots and shitty animated gambling ads everywhere. Porn bots and scammers are trying to follow you every 2 seconds. Elon’s dipshit musings/ragebait are forced into your feed even when you block him. Any tweets you make get zero engagement. remaining accounts are either bots, racists, fascists, or creators and celebrities moaning and/or hemming and hawing about leaving all the time because muh ego. It’s not even worth witnessing the spectacle.

It’s also fucking straight up broken half the time. Mastodon is a breath of fresh air in comparison even pre-Elon. Wish more would use it.

[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You forgot one major thing: the porn has left in droves.

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[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The forced elon spam reeks of insecurity. I thought the whole reason behind being extremely rich was not giving a fuck about what the world thinks, yet here we are.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Can we take a step back for a second and think about the human condition that led someone to need a moral argument to get off X? What kind of pathetic, fucked up mind do you have where you can't just uninstall the app you have to appeal to morality.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Well there is a difference between disliking something and believing it is actively harmful. If you believe it is actively harmful for humans and society, it makes sense that you want to appeal to the society as a whole. Then you need to reason for why you feel the way you do. And there we go.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That moral case was already there like a decade ago.

When he called the Philippine men, risking their lives to save children stuck and about to die in an underground cave, pedophiles because they refused to consider musk's retarded dive capsule idea... That was the moment that the moral case was there and it never left.

Musk is a scammer, he is a dumbass, he is incompetent, got fired for being incompetent, he just got really lucky winning the company shares jackpot when that company got bought out. That's all. He has a quality to make dumbass people listen to him and look up to him and make them somehow believe that he's smart but every word out of his mouth is either a lie or just really really painfully dumb.

[–] Sarcastik@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I worked for Musk for longer than I care to admit, well before the world caught on to what an evil snake oil salesman he is and I endorse this post.

Let me just say after my time that the pedophile thing is probably nowhere near the worst thing that man has said or done to others he deems unworthy.

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[–] Barack_Embalmer@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I joined Twitter fairly recently as Machine Learning Twitter is/was a thing, and I wanted to stay abreast of news from people like Andrej Karpathy, Chris Olah, Andrew Ng etc., especially since r/MachineLearning went down the shitter.

But I can't even - I log on and just instantly see ragebait posts from Daily Mail talking heads and bullshit.

Are there any better alternatives for this purpose?

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not, for tech deep cuts, Mastodon is better.

[–] Danakin@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If there are better alternatives entirely depends on how active those people are on Mastodon, Bluesky or even Threads. (Not sure on activity on Bluesky, as I haven't got an invite yet...)

I'm a PHP developer, many people (but not all) in the community crosspost on Twitter and Mastodon, so Mastodon is a good alternative for me personally.

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[–] 5BC2E7@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lead by example. At least stop pretending that this news article/opinion piece belongs in a technology.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love these websites posting, “It’s time to leave X” while also providing bait articles that just describe a Twitter conversation between two celebrities.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Ironically, there's a "Share with Twitter" button on the left side of the article

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[–] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL we need convincing about that on Lemmy

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lemmy just seems like a big echo chamber of tech, Linux, and Political news. Maybe some memes sprinkled in, but little else.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Star Trek memes are good. So ha!

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You say that like it's a bad thing. If you'd like more fascism or mindless idiocy no one's keeping you here

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've never seen furry porn before joining Lemmy, half the stuff I have blocked is furry hentai

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fediverse provides an alternative for people who care about using ethical products. Haven't tried threads/bluesky but they seem like more of the same. Unfortunately I don't think people care about the ethics of their micro-blogging platform; their biggest priority is having the largest soap box to shout from.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not sure I'd call lemmy ethical considering how much genocide denial there is.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think you missed the part where the person you are replying to is talking about the ethics of the platform itself, not the ethical viewpoint of the users using the platform nor the personal views of the developers.

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[–] moitoi@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know a lot of people relying on it for sharing research papers and finding them. It's depressing to not have an alternative.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Sewers are useful even if they are full of shit.

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[–] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does anyone here actually use it? I literally never made an account

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

I have an account that I use exclusively to DM companies for support. I found out that I can get help quicker and more easily than going through their website or call center hoops.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If torturing primates isn't enough for u what is,????

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[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Downvote Musk spam.

The billionaire doesn’t need your help ensuring him and his businesses stay in the headlines every day. Don’t be a useful idiot.

[–] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

I don't need a moral reason, I just think it's shit as it was before it rebranded

[–] Iwasondigg@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

I deleted that shit months ago.

[–] Zithero@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Deleted my X recently - not looking back.

[–] radix@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

This sounds like a euphemism for bottom surgery.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just wish the artists would leave, but no other social media allows porn too.

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mastodon totally allows NSFW content. Maybe Threads doesn't, but why trade one deranged billionaire tech overlord for another?

Mastodon has some problems. It's slow, the "instances" concept is confusing, discoverability is poor, and the UI isn't as nice as Threads.

Still worth making the jump for the sake of community governance.

Twitter was destroyed by the governance problem. It proves how we can't ignore the governance structure of the places we invest our time anymore.

But yeah, I'm very disappointed how many people who hate Musk's changes to twitter -- even trans people -- are staying there.

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[–] ram 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Many artists have been hedging their bets the last few months, mirroring their content on Mastodon and BlueSky, so that when Twitter/X/Whatever it's called now goes under/is closed/goes subscription only/is locked behind the blockchain, they don't lose their fans, supporters, donators, and commissioners.

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[–] qwertyWarlord@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Lol, anyone who uses Twitter doesn't do it for morality. The mouth breathers are addicted to the drama and that's all there is to it

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