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Newly released footage shows Russian forces striking a Ukrainian town, using what pro-Kremlin sources have claimed is one of the most potent non-nuclear weapons in the world.

On Tuesday morning, videos began circulating on Russian and Ukrainian media of a "vacuum bomb" being dropped on the town of Vovchansk in the country's northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.

Ukrainian news agency InsiderUA posted the video to its Telegram channel, citing Russian military bloggers who said that the bomb was the ODAB-9000, a three-ton glide bomb sometimes referred to as "the father of all bombs."

A thermobaric or "vacuum" bomb draws in oxygen to generate intense, high-temperature combustions. According to the International Review of the Red Cross, an international law-focused academic journal produced by the humanitarian organization, the use of thermobaric weapons in built-up, civilian areas could constitute a war crime.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the time Trump dumped a M.O.A.B. over Afghanistan shortly after taking office, because he thought it would win the war overnight.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I can't speak to Trump's rationale, but know of at least one instance where a MOAB was substituted for the normal ordinance in theatre because it was approaching it service rated shelf life.

Explosive ordinance has a shelf life, and once they're expired, they either need to be taken out of supply for servicing, or dismantled and disposed of.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Obliterating a large chunk of landscape and killing countless people because its cheaper than doing hardware maintenance does sound like a US Military tier move.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I mean, yeah, but I think that's placing the US military on a pedestal, with the unsaid implication that they're somehow unique in that regard.

I don't imagine there's many, if any, military forces on earth, who would both be used to invade and occupy foreign lands, and not make similar decisions.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Biggest Military In The World is going to have more of this shit and be in more places where they can casually detonate an 18 kiloton bomb.

The "uniquely American" angle is more just the consequence of our size and the number of theaters of conflict we're active in. I don't imagine there's many, if any, military forces on earth that could operate at this scale for the last 80 years.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

does and expired bomb make it more boomy?

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

No... It risks either not going boom, or some other catastrophic failure like we saw in the early days of the Ukraine war with the S300 and S400 missiles that would U-turn after launch and hit their own launcher, most likely from being improperly stored, not maintained, and/or outside of their rated service life.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I knew about MOAB but not FOAB, which is four times more powerful?!

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's definitely skeptical. The MOAB was designed to literally collapse parts of mountains. This doesn't really look like a similar result.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you can see buildings still standing right next to the blast like this, then it was just a glorified pipe bomb. Dont get me wrong its fucked up anyways, but it just really looks like a fairly tiny explosion.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago

Seems either unremarkable/not new or fudged

Weapons analyst Sascha Lange of German SWP speaking at Deutsche Welle pointed out multiple discrepancies in the released Russian video and expressed his skepticism about the Russian claim

Same source as you linked.

Its a big ol thermobaric, which sucks but isn't ground breaking (except literally lol)

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago

Title of this post seems rather hyperbolic.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those damn type 12 liberals