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For me it has to be Malcom X, I'm not American, but I read his autobiography when I was young and it left a life long impression on me about justice and resiliency. He grew up in an extremely oppressive society, his dad was murdered and his mother was sent to the loony bin and he was clearly lost and traumatized. When he went to jail he was smart enough to be like what the hell, why am I here? Educating himself and channeling his energy into caring about others and justice transformed him into one of the most powerful and well respected leaders of his time.

He is often denigrated by Americans as violent and contrasted with King Jr. but by all accounts whenever he was in a position to project violence he chose de-escalation like during the Harlem riots and saved lives as there were people in the US in positions of military power who would have loved an excuse to do to them what they did to the indigenous across the entire country.

He was angry but principled and really set a template for me about how to be a leader and help me process my own anger and channel it into something more positive.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, “The Man Who Saved America.”, hands down. He single-handedly defeated a fascist overthrow of the U.S. government in 1933. AKA, the Devil Dog. He is not in history books because fascist are still in control.

[–] Shah_of_Iran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago
[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

John Stark, one of the rescuers of the Donner Party.

In Summit Valley the remaining rescuers discussed what to do and took a vote to save only two of the children in Starved Camp. That might have been all they could manage. The others would have to stay behind.

John Stark, above, could not abide that. That meant that nine people, mostly children, would die on the mountain, exposed to the elements down in a very deep hole in the snow. John Stark decided he would save all nine, “Already shouldering a backpack with provisions, blankets, and an axe, he picked up one or two of the smaller children, carried them a little ways, then went back for the others. Then he repeated the whole process again and again and again. To galvanize morale, he laughed and told the youngsters they were so light from months of mouse-sized rations that he could carry them all simultaneously, if only his back were broad enough.” Once they were out of the snow he would eat and rest he said, but not before. He saved all nine. That is extraordinary and that is heroism. It was also heroism he never got contemporary credit for.

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

That's nuts. I've got to look up how far he carried them.

I recent did a snow hike with poor gear, intentionally, and boy gee is that an incredibly draining and slow exercise.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

John Brown Fidel Castro Joseph Stalin

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 0 points 7 hours ago

I really liked the Behind the Bastards-podcast about Stalin

[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 hours ago

Enkidu. Dude was pivotal in providing companionship to the king that stopped, or at least slowed, his general rape and molestation of the lower classes.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Harriet Tubman

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alan Turing. My government did him dirty.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly it is embarrassing. Fucking over a literal hero because he is gay???

Yeah it’s crazy. Imagine the contribution he could have made to CompSci or Mathematics had he not been driven to suicide.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Churchill. Without him it's not unlikely that the UK would've accepted Nazi Germany's peace offer.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago

Neville Chamberlain originally did try appeasement with Hitler, yes, but he did declare war when peace talks broke down. He massively scaled up the armed forces before war broke as a signalled deterrent to Hitler.

Once it became entirely clear that the enemy could not be reasoned with, he stood down, having exhausted all the power he had to stop further escalation.

Churchill, in contrast, was an escalator. Perhaps what the country needed at the time, but so pig-headed that he wanted to keep the war going long after support from home had dried out.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Marquis de Lafayette

Fought in American revolution, key figure in French.

Born into aristocracy them said fuck that let's go see what liberty is about. Tried his best even through events spun out of control. Always stuck up for the people despite his position.

Abolitionist. Tried to get Washington to free slaves as example, left Lafayette on read.

"If I had known that by fighting for America I was creating a nation of slaves, I would have never raised my sword." - butchered to a certain degree but sentiment remains.

Guy was pretty neat, found himself in some of the most important events I'm history and stuck to his ideals his whole life. Admirable.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Heroes have a way of always disappointing. There's people like Malcom X, John Brown or Thomas Paine who I'd say were the good guys of their time, but I really try not to lionise them beyond the flawed humans they were.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lenin, architect of the first successful Socialist revolution and state.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are your thoughts on lenin involvement in the Kronstadt rebellion and in the executions of anarchists?

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-alexander-berkman-bolsheviks-shooting-anarchists

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)

Even if the ideals of the rebellion were founded in good intentions, fighting against the newborn Socialist State played into counter-revolutionary hands and aided the fascist White Army in the middle of a brutal civil war. The Anarchists placed ideals over material reality in this instance. It was also led by Petrichenko, who one year prior tried to join the White Army, and joined the White Army after the rebellion failed and the sailors turned on the rebellion.

Had it been a time of peace with no internal or external pressure and the same measures employed, my feelings would be different on the matter, but the facts are that the stated aims and the methods employed by the rebels were at direct contradiction in the middle of a civil war.

It's not like Lenin hated Anarchists especially, Kropotkin was given a large State funeral and the largest rail station, Kropotkinskaya, was named after him. The Kronstadt Rebellion also factored in the transition between War Communism into the NEP.

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[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Cassius Marcellus Clay was the son of one of the wealthiest slave owners in America and grew up to be the single most influential and most dangerous abolitionist in American history. He had so many duels with slavers, and won so many of them, that he became statistically the most dangerous duelist to ever exist in North America.

When his cousin, Kentucky senator Henry Clay ran for president, Cassius wanted to come campaign for him down South. Henry vetoed this out of concerns that Cassius would come down south and duel so many slave owners to the death that it could be considered election interference.

The Fat Electrician has an excellent video on the life and times of Clay, I highly recommend it. And if you're wondering, yes, Muhammad Ali was named after this Cassius Clay.

[–] can_you_change_your_username@fedia.io 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Fat Electrician's video was great but he I feel left out a couple of things that I think are important to add. First is that he used his influence in the Russian court to advocate for the end of the surf system. Slavery was his primary focus but he actively opposed all forms of indentured servitude and was involved in the freeing of more forced laborers than any other single individual in history. Also he negotiated the purchase of Alaska.

Second is Clay's Battalion. When the Civil War began Washington DC was undefended and there was an order to evacuate because of fears that Virginia would get soldiers there before the Federal Army. Clay was in Washington to be appointed as the ambassador to Russia and, during the evacuation, he started grabbing men off the street to defend the capital. He organized about 300 defenders and occupied the White House and the Navy Yard until federal troops arrived to take over.

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[–] funtrek@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago

Marcus Aurelius and his reflections on stoicism.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago (9 children)

King was largely reviled in his time. The almost universally loved King of today is a sanitized, defanged, ahistorical version. Mandela is another example, but there are many.

V. I. Lenin, The State and Revolution:

What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now “Marxists” (don’t laugh!). And more and more frequently German bourgeois scholars, only yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of the “national-German” Marx, who, they claim, educated the labor unions which are so splendidly organized for the purpose of waging a predatory war!

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I was hoping you would expound on the King bits about being sanitized.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

It’s been done by those more knowledgeable than me.

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[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who else can survive for years on eating their own foot-skin? :-P

[–] bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

😭 that was so weird

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