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[–] noxy@yiffit.net 42 points 1 day ago

US tech companies too, you fucking cowards.

Facebook paid kids to install a VPN client on their smartphones so they could intercept AND DECRYPT traffic between competing services (like Snapchat, Amazon, Youtube)

facebook and any other company they acquire (or however they try to rebrand) are not only untrustworthy but active adversaries against common decency and basic privacy

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 41 points 1 day ago (10 children)

America selectively caring about privacy.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

They care about companies they have less control over and a foreign adversary has more control over invading privacy, for reasons unrelated to seeing privacy as a good in itself.

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is tiktok saying that all Chinese apps that steal our data are also stealing our data because they were designed to steal our data?!

I am SHOCKED.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You don't even need the word Chinese

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[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It's time to start taxing the acquisition, retention, and selling/trading of personal data.

Actually, that time was 40 years ago.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

GDPR is a start, but we need to actually ban it, not just annoy people until they click Accept at the 20th popup of that tantalising offer to share your details with 1473 trusted data partners.

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Google and Microsoft would be scrambling to pay off every single person associated with that before it ever hit the first courtroom floor.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

ohhh data collection taxation, I like it. You would think it would be a no-brainer but look at marijuana taxation and the continued resistance to rake in all that public funding. Would make most of the controversy around AI disappear if they tax it's collection.

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[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Good point, we'll ban all of them"

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

"Thanks for bringing it to our attention. You are now banned as well"

[–] huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

What about Lenovo, Aliexpress, Xiaomi, Didi (It's famous in latam), BYD, NIO?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit....

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Good call. Let's ban them both.

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fine then, ban all the Chinese spy apps

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I'd rather they just ban spy apps in general...but that's a "dream a little dream, it's never gonna happen" type of thing.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And all the CIA ones.

And then block all cookies and tracking.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like Temu?

You mean like facebook and twitter.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, they love those, since that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

Going to blow people's minds when they find out Temu data also goes to the US government and Facebook data also goes to the CCP.

This shit is just a commodity. It's auctioned off at the bid rate. The NSA doesn't just lay claim to this data, it buys it. And these Big Data companies are only handing it over because of the absurd margins NSA (and MI5 and the rest of the Five Eyes) directors are willing to pay.

Your data isn't any safer because the parent company is owned by a foreign plutocrat. This is a big club and you ain't in it.

[–] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Oh no, I'm not under any illusion that my data is safer with any of them lol. I'm just saying that that's why the US doesn't ban American social networks/companies. Because it's all about control.

[–] kelargo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Cambridge analytics

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're right, we should regulate or ban then too.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Technically, the second partof that bill bans sending user data to China for all companies, so it's foreseeabke that they get fined into the dirt if nothing else.

I hope the Facebook multi-billion dollar fines act as precedent.

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[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 185 points 2 days ago

Oh no, now we have to ban them all?? What a shame!

/s

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 83 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm surprised so many people think this is a good argument. TikTok is a social media platform. Temu is an online marketplace. The potential to cause disruption within US society is completely different.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Legally it is a very good argument. A law targeting a single company in name or effect is literally unconstitutional. It's called a "Bill of Attainder".

The counter argument is indicting Facebook because they never stopped selling information directly to the CCP.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Cool, let's ban Temu then. Nothing of value will be lost.

In all honesty though, I disagree with banning software, and that includes TikTok. I think it's a terrible platform and I refuse to use it, but I think we need to solve the underlying problem another way, otherwise we're just picking and choosing what speech is allowed in this country. The Constitution doesn't only protect American citizens, it protects everyone.

That said, if we're going to ban one, let's ban them all. These apps haven't provided any tangible value IMO and they've arguably caused a fair amount of harm, so I'm not going to die on a hill defending them.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

A US Citizen might be protected by Article 1 Section 9, but courts have adopted a three-part test to determine if a law functions as a bill of attainder:

  1. The law inflicts punishment.
  2. The law targets specific named or identifiable individuals or groups.
  3. Those individuals or groups would otherwise have judicial protections.

And unfortunately for the CCP they fail #3 unless the Chinese owners divest and all Chinese centralization for the company gets shut down.

Also, the tiktok ban was passed alongside a bill outlawing sale of data to China, Iran, Russia, etc. So if FB is still selling to China it is also illegal.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

Not environmentally...

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[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 15 points 1 day ago

Please ban them, I beg of you, please...

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemdro.id 100 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But you can't charge me with murder! That guy committed it too!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The argument here is more along the lines of, "you can't make a law that defines something as murder only when I do it."

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

selective enforcement of the law is a real issue. One of the reasons Donald Trump will likely never go to jail is the failure to prosecute nixon, reagan (iran contra, iran hostage crisis meddling), and Bush/Cheney(wmd fiasco)

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

And one of the reasons POC are more likely go to jail (or even gets shot) for something a white man would be let free with only a warning… At least in the “free” land.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can't spy on our citizens, that's our (and our corporations') job!

Signed, the US Government

[–] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago

So ban them too

[–] SteveDinn@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (4 children)

TikTok is correct. Ban them all.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I generally think that TikTok sucks but do agree with this argument. It’s silly to say that domestic companies can be evil but foreign ones no.

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