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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Ah yes, the criminals that were already carrying illegally sized knives will totally be prevented from doing that by further decreasing the legal limit. Fucking toddler logic. This gives big "There is no crime in germany because crime is illegal" energy

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Unlike guns, knives are actually helpful in a lot of everyday situations. So it's obviously terrible that politicians keep using the politician's syllogism ("we must do something - this is something - we must do this!"). Over the long run, we ruin law as a whole with often expensive, symbolic additions whose negative consequences massively outweigh the positives. And the acting politicians definitely know what they're doing is wrongβ€”they're reacting in a (predictably failing) bid to appease populists. And I am not sure how we'll ever get out of this, because in the moment this logic is definitely appealing, even though immediately past that moment, it becomes clearer how harmful it is.

Otoh, the same politicians also currently discuss his to fix actual issues, such as the social-media radicalization topic that has sweeped over us in various forms over the past years, with anti-Covid-measures movements, Islamist movements, pro-Russian movements, and radical right movements (there are tons of convergence points between all these).

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

It's an outcome that comes from people demanding that something be done because they think we can somehow live in a perfectly safe world.

Shit happens, no matter how many laws are passed no country is going to never have violent crime or mass killings never ever never. Yet the people still demand their politicians do something even if there's nothing useful that can be done.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also, "Cannabis is [was] forbidden because it is [was] an illegal drug."

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cannabis isn't broccoli!!!1!!

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For the non-Germans: This thread references several quotes from former conservative federal drug ~~designee[?]~~ commissioner Marlene Mortler.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

*Commissioner [?, I think one of the quotes is from her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Ludwig]

[–] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

but, "we already have two volksdrogen we don't need a third one"

[–] Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

~~Shouldn't we learn something from the Brits? They basically outlawed knives, yet the problem with knife fights is getting worse.~~ Someone else in this thread kinda debunked my statement, so there's that!

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Will be interesting to see if knife laws like this have a measurable impact, it could serve as a proxy to give us better data about what may and may not work elsewhere, for example firearms in the US.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Crime doesn't happen if it's not reported.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"German government -as always- rejects solutions (or even honest discussions) in favour of bullshit symbolism pandering to right populists"

Fixed the headline...

[–] Captain_Baka@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago

German government -as always- rejects solutions (or even honest discussions)

This is already enough for that fixed headline.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really. This was demanded by the opposition (conservatives).

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A "conservative" opposition that made a sharp turn to right-wing populism and is spending the years since they got voted out by parroting far-right AfD narratives while also adding their own take on desinformation at every corner... and sadly the media has failed for quite some time to provide context and is only slowly waking up and starting to publish fact checks for all their bullshit demand and statements.

So you might think you found a problem with my statement. But there isn't one. The former center-right conservatives are indeed the right populists I was talking about. Because that is exactly what they degerated to the moment they lost power.

For reference see for example: here, here or here

That's your so-called "conservative opposition" right there...