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Am I terribly, terribly dyslexic or is this bluetooth keyboard doing me wrong? (piefed.social)
submitted 3 months ago by cashmaggot@piefed.social to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Okay, this is like a tech support kinda question but idk where the hell to ask it so I am gunna ask it here. My old keyboard died a couple of days ago. Just gave up the ghost, and I cursed the gods and got out my bluetooth keyboard. I had been using my lappy exclusively (so not using an external keyboard) but hooked it up to my monitor and started jamming away on the bigger screen. It's further away from my face, so I sometimes miss typos (or just can't spell and fk auto-correct). But I have also been noticing letters flipping from time to time at random. Just having a blast. I've got a real stream of conciousness way of thinking/typing/talking/existing - yada, yada! So I am not catching this stuff until later and tsk, tsking and going back and fixing it. Now I am wondering if I am experiencing rampant levels of dyslexia or if others know about some weird latancy issues with bluetooth keyboards where someone could type faster than the output so stuff gets jumbled? Cause idk, but like...hell idk. Doesn't hurt to ask?

So yeah, anyone know about this. Either way, not crying over it. Cause what am I gunna do? Keyboard does what it needs to...so yeah. Just find it weird, but maybe also I am typing WHOLE FREAKIN' NOVELS for every comment so shit gets messed up more. Eh.

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've got some IT background and am now higher up the ranks handling servers, automation, and back end stuff. My boss and most of my team refuse to use the bluetooth keyboards and mice in our company's conference rooms because of how trash they are, and the hands on IT team response to bluetooth keyboards being weird is to replace the batteries, and if that doesn't fix it, replace with a wired keyboard.

If you're looking for wireless, Logitech wireless keyboards and mice that come with a Logitech USB dongle seem to be decent. They use some different standard for the wireless instead of bluetooth that seems to be more reliable.

Don't underestimate the effect of not being able to see text you're typing clearly though. Most people seem to do quite a bit of almost unconcious error correction when typing, based on looking at what is on the screen.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah, actually I am right there with your whole team. I like wired more on account of it holding up for way longer and not having to be bothered with. I'm gunna have the missus take a look, but I didn't see anything wrong with the thing as a whole. I just left it sitting around for a little cause I wasn't feeling the best and didn't want to use anything but my lappy. I have been going back and forth on the text thing. Because I am a mad extremist and can't seem to help it. I used to use old-lady text size for everything. Was just blowing up my screen. It was an easy read, but it lowered reading speed. Which kinda altered my comprehension in a way, because you're taking in information super slowly. And my brain isn't the greatest at keeping the pieces held together. I just loaded up Fedora a couple of weeks ago from Endeavor which I adored as a whole but was crashing at random times and was driving me up a wall. I kept all the fonts at base level to see if I could cope. Cause like I said, I wanted to be able to read faster. But I think I've just got to give in and boost it. Even if it's a little.

Thanks for the response by the by, was a fun one =)

p.s. - I have the bluetooth dongle to go out and write little short stories based off of micro-prompts. So in that sense, it just has to fit in a bag, connect, stay charged, and be somewhat capable at not having me write cor/ or corb when I wanna write corn. It's crazy how they squish up these keyboards and make them unusable. I was looking for a super micro one to type out some stuff in bed and can't find a non-squished handheld qwerty. So if you know one that hasn't terribly butchered the bottom row I'd be down for a suggestion =)!

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

FYI wireless BLE keyboards, when implemented properly, will last months on a single charge. Unlike mice, they consume very little power, since they don't scan the surface beneath them 1000-8000 times per second.

Logitech and similar models that come with a dongle use some fashion of 2.4Ghz Band RF, which may use more power, and the battery will not last as long.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago

Thank you dub, which btw DUBYA! Hahaha! Aww man, I love linguistics. Freakin' A! You say warsh too? Ah! It's like being swaddled mentally =)! I never thought about the mechanics behind the two but it is some fun brain fodder. And it makes sense, the second you pause and give it a think. Thanks again =)

[–] safesyrup@lemmy.hogru.ch 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have a mechanical keyboard that also has a bluetooth mode. I tried it once and it‘s utter trash, i think my computer case may be blocking signals to my mainboard. That said i also had moments of single keystrokes not registering and sometimes multiple and even loss of signal for a solid 2 seconds. So i think bluetooth could be an issue.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Hey, hey - thanks for the response. I am being a terrible night owl and have to take my tired ass to bed (but my gal passed out a little while ago and I am sneaking in my "decompression" me time.). But! Thank you! I was suspecting it might be that. But idk, cause sometimes I get a touch of the dyslexia (but not too bad, but sometimes...my da has it for sure but I've always read a lot and I think that's helped). But anyways, maybe I'll grab another keyboard. I am just blown because it was a logitech and like..I always felt like I could depend on those but it blew the fk up in less than a year. I don't have the reciept or anything, so I can't much on this front. My gal is a tinkerer so maybe I'll toss it to her and she can poke around. But it's weird cause like...it was okay and then I came back and like - didn't do anything to it. It lives on my little baby desk. And it just didn't work anymore. Shrugs.

But I also just switched to Fedora and wasn't sure if I was having any issues with any of the hardware, but I updated everything so I think it's just the connection or something. Thanks again =)

[–] Walking_coffin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You could always try on another machine if you can to see if the latency is due to the laptop or the keyboard itself.

Also, changing keyboard, especially if you've been using a certain keyboard type and you change to another, can really mess uo the eay you type until you get used to it.

Lastly, bluetooth is a whole mess so it very well could be that. If you value what you bought and like you said, someone close to you is a tinkerer, converting a bluetooth device to a wired can be a nice project if they haven't done so before (and it prevents throwing out a working device with a small defect).

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

Hey, homie g! Hope your sun-monday is chill af. I usually use it on my phone to write little snippets. It works pretty well there, but idk. But I think maybe your second point might be the stickler. In that I am more used to typing with a certain keyboard and maybe I am just typoing all over the place.

I wanna keep my bluetooth guy, but I am gunna have my gal take a look at my other keyboard. I was just shocked it died so fast because I've been rocking Logitech a majority of my living breathing life and have taken the same mouse around for a hundred years. The keyboard was new, but I figured it wouldn't poop out and I could keep hopping around with that too. Eh!

[–] safesyrup@lemmy.hogru.ch 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You‘re welcome, don‘t worry :) Before tossing it away i would try a different bluetooth (if you can borrow one from a friend) keyboard and even try your keyboard on a different machine

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh, I def wouldn't toss the bluetooth. But the keyboard I am not sure what to do with it. Makes me really flustered. But I am going to toss it at my gal either way and see what all she wants to/can do with it. Just kinda blows me because I've had Logitech stuff last for a hundred years. Idk if this is some weird pandemic kink or if logitech just kinda blows now?

*I use the bluetooth to write on my phone but I also am outside and like UP on my phone. Idk if it's a combination of distance, home chatter, hardware grumpies or what. But I am def typoing more than I think I typically do. But it could also be my setup, in which I sit pretty far back from my screen because I am using it from the floor. Dunno, but I don't remember having this issue before.

[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I have had this happen. Mostly with weird, old, or cheap (or some combination thereof) hardware. Like sometimes the connection will hitch for a moment then three or four letters will come out backwards. Couldn't say for sure what the cause is but I suspect either the controller in the board itself is jank, or there's some kind of protocol / buffer mismatch. I have no solution, but it's not just you.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago

Thank you, I was going crazy. I was like...what in the hey is going on? Cause I mean you know - folks make mistakes but I was really laying em on @_@!!

[–] chaos_a@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Try pressing J and K at the exact same time and see if they always appear in the same order. They should not appear in the same order everytime if key debouncing is implemented correctly.

Some keyboards mess up key debouncing, especially Bluetooth ones.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago

jkkjkjkjjk <<< Well, that answers that I guess. Thank you!

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Whenever I switch between keyboards with different slopes (is that the right word? Like whether they sit flat on the desk or are angled due to their flip out feet or just the board chassis itself) or keycap profiles, and to a lesser extent the switches themselves, It takes a bit of an adjustment period before I’m not keying typos and stuff.

I’m weird and don’t use Bluetooth for any of my primary inputs or audio outputs, so I can’t speak directly to there being an inherent Bluetooth issue like that, but I really doubt it. The massive proliferation of Bluetooth “gaming” mice and keebs wouldn’t have happened if there was such an issue. I just don’t use them bc adhd and keeping peripherals charged is a losing proposition out the gate.

Also, did you type this post on that keeb, or did you just proofread it a ton of times.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

10/10 they def have different slopes. The bluetooth one is flat as hey and the other one was tiered. Could def be that. I do use the other one, but not in this scenario and not as often so that could be it.

You're not weird, you're smart =P! You don't like fuss. I did wanna make a bluetooth speaker to jam out with around the house. But I think I am going to put that on hold for now and give this keyboard situation a think. I like to give my purchases a good think. Which was why I was surprised when the last guy pooped out.

I did type this one on that keyb. And it seems to be okay most times. But like I said, I do know that from time to time I can really hit a solid dyslexic spot. But typically I am pretty okay, and I know a couple of people who "fixed" (maybe not cured) their dyslexia issues with frequent reading. And I myself think I fixed mine pretty well doing the same. Idk if my brain is weird (okay, wait that was stupid statement, my brain is weird) but like...uhhhh. Shit. Brain fog, I stayed up too late last night. I see everything I think. I say everything I communicate even in text (like texting a buddy or here). And I think that also helps with me being able to decode things a bit. So then maybe I make less typos on the whole. But I can type pretty fast. Idk how fast, but I would say maybe somewhere between 70-90 wpm. But I can't remember and I don't feel like doing the test. So if I am typing faster than the signal typically sends (or there's some weird latency) maybe then the words come out soupy.

And I know folks make mistakes, cause we're human and I am hot mess. But there's just something weird goign on <<< and it happened right there =P!

Either way thank you and tell me what audio you're using if you don't mind. I used to always rock a mini-boombox in my kitchen and it made being in there such a comfy experience and I have been thinking about how to recreate that so that I can just hop in, press a button and jam out. So if anything comes to mind, feel free to share and I'll give it a look for sure.

Cheers!

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Audio? Weird again. For my PC I have a Scarlett 2i2 that I plug my ATH-50 headphones in to, and the line out on the 2i2 runs to a super SUPER old pioneer amp that’s connected to some equally old Technics box speakers, which don’t sound great but get loud. That all connects to my PC and laptop through the KVM. I have an Apple TV that’s connected to a Denon AVR, which has two Focal Choras connected to it. When the laptop is connected I can play music out both sets of amplified speakers together, without Bluetooth or anything, using the Apple Home home play thing. I live in a relatively small house, so that covers most of it. I think I might add in a HomePod so I can have a speaker in the kitchen while cooking, and outside in the backyard when chilling by the firepit and stuff. I’m really hesitating to do it though just bc I’m not sold on the wireless stuff, but the HomePod uses WiFi not Bluetooth so it’s not as bad I guess.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hey, thanks! I wish I was so cool as to have a solid sound system. I move so damn much, I figured if it's not something that I can fit in a relatively reasonable space it's probably something I'll ultimately have to give away. I was looking around for stuff, and that's how I landed on a bluetooth speaker. Because I am not in the mood to gather cds, an external drive, or anything. Although really if I had it my way I'd load up my flash drive and just plug it into something. I thought maybe building my own bluetooth would keep the volume at a reasonable level, give me a fun project to do, as well as give me a reason to keep lugging the thing with me =P!

I hadn't heard of wifi speakers, so I didn't know they existed but you've got me interested and I am going to have a look. I gave up on headphones because unless terribly long my hair just expands outwards to the heavens and the two don't mix. Two other things, by the by, that I thought about were a micro-set of (powered) bookshelf speakers. But it seemed to intense for a kitchen area. Or taking an old phone, some kinda 2.0 computer speakers, and forming a body out of wood or something to make a "boom-box." But phones are so endlessly creepy that idk. But I do like the recycling aspect, and tbh would still be using the babe today if they hadn't shut down 3G permanently @_@!!!

You've given me some things to think of though, and thank you for your help!

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ohhhhh, it’s not a “wireless speaker” per se, it’s just a computer stuffed in a speaker that connects to WiFi on its own.

[–] cashmaggot@piefed.social 1 points 3 months ago

I'm super in love with the idea, I wonder if there's some kinda diy setup you could do. Just kinda like how people make streaming servers for their home. I just didn't even think about it. So it was a lovely idea. Big thanks for all the talk =)