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Edit: A lot of people say, that GWM needs a melee weapon attack, but they miss Jesses point: While GWM requires a melee attack with a heavy weapon, Sharpshooters only criteria is an attack with a ranged weapon (not a ranged weapon attack). Jesse bases his claim on the fact, that a crossbow is still a ranged weapon, even if used as an improvised weapon for melee combat. That’s why it deals 1d4(!)+20 damage. (It works with any ranged, heavy weapon btw., so Longbow qualifies too.) Of course Jesse is playing the devils advocate here and of course, no somewhat sane Walter will allow this in any campaign ever, as it’s obviously not the intention behind these feats. But you could read it that way and that’s Jesses (paperthin) point. Besides: he finds the image of a barbarian running around recklessly smashing a crossbow over everyone’s head to just be hilarious.

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[–] Twipped@artemis.camp 1 points 10 months ago

Theres is a bug in the current Dwarf Fortress combat AI where soldiers equipped with crossbows will only shoot targets if they can’t path to the target. If they can, they will instead prefer to run up to it and melee with the crossbow.

I believe you have found their reasoning.

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

GWM specifies a melee attack iirc

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It is a melee attack. Jesse hits people with the crossbow in melee. Jesse does read the rules. Thank you.

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then Sharpshooter wouldn't trigger, because that counts as an improvised weapon.

[–] jounniy@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Is smacking someone over the head with a Glock not an attack with a gun?

Is a bow no longer a ragend weapon just because I don’t use it as one?

[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago

Yes, it is an attack with a gun. That gun just isn't a ranged weapon for the purposes of that attack.

Yes, using a bow as a melee weapon, in 5e, absolutely ceases to become a ranged weapon while you do so.

[–] Tarcion@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The meme community hasn't read the rules

[–] yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

Reading in my ttrpg? Impossible. All that matters is the dm regurgitating the rules for the players.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Literally every time someone posts with this Walter and Jesse meme format, it is the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It makes me lose brain cells instantly and desperately wish I had unsubbed from this community months ago

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But sharp shooter doesn't specify a ranged attack... right? Right?

(My source is wikidot)

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

even on that wiki it states that you need to make a ranged weapon attack. THREE TIMES, infact the same amount GWM states that it needs a melee weapon attack.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm one to rule with intent, and would rule against using it, but at the same time, it does say

" Before you make an attack with a ranged weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If that attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage."

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Mhm yeah, but if you attack with a ranged weapon in melee, its no longer an attack with a ranged weapon as you use it as an improvised weapon instead.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ah, the weapon changes type depending how it's used, I'll take that.

[–] IggythePyro@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I won't- per Jeremy Crawford, a thrown melee weapon isn't an attack with a ranged weapon, so by the same logic a melee attack with a ranged weapon wouldn't become a melee weapon attack.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jeremy Crawford's 'rules clarifications' are inconsistent dog shit.

[–] IggythePyro@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

Jeremy Crawford's rules are also inconsistent dog shit. That's why we're here, looking at this meme :)