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[–] aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world 134 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org 36 points 1 month ago

Oh, to be a fly on that wall. I'm sure I'd love it.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 99 points 1 month ago (42 children)

I wish her a good run and become the first female president of the USA.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think Biden has a better chance than her, and if he's voted in she's the back up anyways.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As far as backups go, she’s far from the worst. On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately? Would America lament the second term that never was or would they simply say “oh, weird. Whatever.” Or would they celebrate fresher blood finally finding its way into the mix? I know republicans would attempt to block and/or complain about everything, but the reasonables- how would they react?

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately?

I know republicans would attempt to block and/or complain about everything, but the reasonables- how would they react?

Assuming the Republicans still hold the House, they would ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!

Sure, President Harris would still be a Democrat and control the Executive branch, but her new VP would be voted in by the House of Representatives. They'd try to put Trump in as VP. Having Trump (even as the junior in the Executive Branch) would give him access and power to spoil President Harris's agenda.

"Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." - source is The Constitution of the United States specifically the 25th Amendment

Alternatively, again assuming Republicans keep the house, they could make Trump the Speaker of the House.

"The Constitution does not explicitly require the speaker to be an incumbent member of the House of Representatives, although every speaker thus far has been, and as a member the speaker also represents their district and retains the right to vote." source

I hate these two possible scenarios of VP or Speaker.

On that note, what would America do if Biden were re-elected and simply stepped down immediately?

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 month ago (9 children)

It's so wild to me that one of your two political parties is actively trying to dismantle your democracy and everyone continues on as if it's normal.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

No no. House doesn't get to nominate/choose the VP. Harris would choose a VP then the House would have to vote to approve them or not, like the Senate does with SCOTUS nominees. So the worst a Repub-controlled House could do (and they would) is prevent her from filling the VP slot at all.

That's why: 1) very important Dems get the House back in this election. Biden may not hand it over immediately but it could happen at any time during the term. 2) It's probably better to make her the nominee now so she can choose a VP to run with and avoid that issue.

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[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

NYTimes reporting the call wasn’t anything exciting.

Vice President Kamala Harris tried to buck up the Democratic Party’s biggest donors on Friday, telling about 300 of them that there was little to worry about in President Biden’s campaign.

Ms. Harris spoke to the group at a time of extraordinary turmoil among Democrats, with many hoping that she will replace Mr. Biden as the party’s nominee. But several listeners said they found the meeting overall to be of little value and even, at times, condescending, believing that the message ignored donors’ legitimate concerns about the Biden-led ticket.

Ms. Harris, of course, is in a delicate position: She must demonstrate loyalty to her boss but also be prepared to jump immediately to the top of the Democratic ticket if Mr. Biden were to withdraw.

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago

But several listeners said they found the meeting overall to be of little value and even, at times, condescending...

Yeah no shit. Harris bombed out of the 2020 run before Iowa because that's just who she is. Got 0 rizz. Biden should have talked Abrams into being VP 4 years ago.

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It would be fucking hilarious if they pushed out Kamala for Hilary.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 68 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"We realized the reason voters want Biden to step down is because Harris is his running mate. So we replaced her with the only Democrat in existence less popular than Biden, and the only person in existence to have lost to the Toupee in an election: Hillary Clinton. It's her turn." - Dem leadership.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

God that whole rhetoric pissed me off to no end, when they shoved Bernie aside because it was ‘her turn’. The level of arrogance needed to even think that, let alone push it as an argument on voters…

While I’m certainly not downplaying her actual political credits - she has experience in all levels of government - the presidency is not an ‘it’s my turn now’ position. That soured a lot of voters on her as a candidate.

‘It’s my turn’ is only an argument if you’re waiting in line at Disneyland.

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[–] stetech@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Technically, she got more votes (edit due to being unclear: than Trump, in 2016). And not by a little, nearly 3 million people more voted for her over orange anti-republic anti-democracy man. But the voting system is unrepresentative, so it didn’t matter.

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why is everyone acting as if she’s an heir or something? All delegates to the convention have already been elected. If Biden steps down, they can vote for whoever, and Dem party rules state that the superdelegates can’t jump in until the 2nd vote if no one wins the first.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (12 children)

I heard somewhere that all the money raised for the Biden/Harris campaign would stay with Harris if she ran for president.

I don't know if that's true, or what would happen to the money if they both drop out but I heard someone say that.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

From https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-07-19/what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-money-if-he-drops-out

What Happens to Biden's Campaign Money if He Drops Out?

It depends on who the new Democratic nominee is, says Saurav Ghosh, the director of federal campaign finance reform at the Campaign Legal Center.

The simplest option from a campaign finance standpoint would be to nominate Vice President Kamala Harris, because “if Harris remains on the ticket, as either the presidential or vice-presidential candidate, the new ticket would maintain access to all the funds in the campaign committee,” says Ghosh.

This is “[b]ecause Biden and Vice President Harris share a campaign committee,” Ghosh says, as both names appear on Biden’s statement of candidacy and statement of organization to the Federal Election Commission.

However, if a new Democratic ticket did not include Biden or Harris, then things would become “more complicated,” Ghosh said.

Since $2,000 is the limit to transfer money between federal campaign committees per election cycle, Ghosh said, the Biden campaign couldn’t legally contribute all of its campaign money to a new candidate.

Instead, “Biden’s campaign would have to offer to refund the money to donors, who could then contribute to the new candidate’s campaign,” or “transfer an unlimited amount to the DNC, which could then spend the money supporting the new presidential nominee, and up to $32.3 million of that spending could be coordinated with the new nominee,” said Ghosh.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's been kind of maddening, seeing the discourse about her electability go from zero to hero. US politics makes no sense outside of corporate and wealthy circles. She is way more electable than Biden.

[–] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are, potentially valid, concerns that her being brown, a prosecutor, and a her makes her less electable than the ancient white man nobody likes. I think people for whom this is a problem were never going to vote dem anyway, but I can see what they perceive the problem is.

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[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

We should update our currency "enabling the worst of us". We deserve what we get at this point.

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