i wonder how in the fuck anyone can possibly be surprised anymore. it's almost like highly qualified experts have been warning us for literally over a hundred years. people panic and freak out, saying the climate apocalypse is coming and we're gonna die if we don't do something. fuckers, climate change isn't coming, it's already here - it has been for decades. it's way too fucking late to avert a crisis. all we have left are consequences.
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2024
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We already have consequences, yes, but they could become a lot worse if we don't do something.
These closing lines... FML
She described the coastal flooding simulation as "scary," but also inevitable.
"It's there. We have to deal with it. Climate change is a fact of life and those of us with properties on the water have to be sensitive to it," Scales said.
"Would I buy another waterfront property? Probably not."
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
What do you expect them do on an individual or even municipal level? It’s a global issue.
Even if they sell, they would be negligent to not inform future buyers of the future flood risk. People aren’t going to want to buy, and now they stuck with a property that’s eventually going to wash away and they can’t do a thing about it themselves.
Who's going to buy them, Ben? Aquaman?
What do you expect them do on an individual or even municipal level? It’s a global issue.
Supporting policies at the provincial and federal level that would help with the global issue would have been good. I'm guessing support for the carbon tax isn't any higher in PEI, though, so this is just "leopards eating their face".
But even if they and their country do everything right, the rest of world may (isn’t) and it’s going to be more or less the same anyways.
I mean, if we're handwaving away the human nature of the entire population of PEI, we might as well do the rest of the world too.
In case it wasn't clear, this wasn't practical advice. Large groups of people quite often don't do what they should. This is one of those times. Now we have to live with the consequences.
Individuals could do a lot, like voting for green candidates for starters, or stop flying, stop driving cars, stop their meat & dairy consumption, stop their excessive overconsumption of goods (throwing away perfectly fine things to replace them with the newest shit), etc. etc.
Everyone loves pointing fingers to politicians or companies, but you could go into politics, you could vote for politicians who want to change things, you are the one those companies produce their shit for.
Real climate action would affect you all on an individual level, and that's something you all do not actually want. So you all shove the issue away, not for future you but future generations that won't even have a choice in the matter anymore.
If you want to feel bad about people buying expensive beach front houses, then you do you. But we've been warned about this for literally decades now, about half a century for real precise warnings - even longer for the potential repercussions of blasting greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
To stop driving cars, our governments or private companies have to build alternatives like high speed rail, trams, safe bike lanes and walkable places. Many of us still have to get to our jobs reliably.
You commuting to your job via car is already a consequence of you deciding to use a car in the first place. You wouldn't have accepted a job too far away unless you were using a car, or you would've decided to move closer to that job location. The majority of car owners also said in polls that they would not use public transport, even if it was free. And again, if people wanted governments to actually build out public transportation, bike infrastructure and more walkable neighborhoods, then they'd actually vote for those type of politicians who want that too. What we see is the literal opposite to that effect though and you're doing the exact same finger pointing I was talking about.
I was damn near broke when I moved to my apartment. I had to change cities due to rent prices. I found a central location in the new city but after 8 months of job searching the only hit I got was in a rural area just outside the city. I am very good at this job and the owner respects me so its currently my best employment oppourtunity. I am expected to be on call at times so I cannot rely on the bus service to the rural location. I carpool with another employee when the schedule allows.
Things aren't as easy to switch as you make it seem. Many of us are forced to drive because that is the world that was built for us. I manage to walk most places I need to in the city and even downtown pedestrians are barely considered in the design of the street. If I must drive somewhere I save those trips for days I'm already commuting.
Cool story. Maybe there would be more jobs available locally, if people from neighboring places wouldn't all commute to your place and vice versa.
I'm trying to relocate closer. Rent is higher near my work so it is easier to save here then buy something closer to work.
It is not people's fault they are reliant on the infrastructure provided or constrained by their field of work/desired salary. The main hwy into the town is packed one way each rush hour. A tram, local rail, or high frequency BRT could help fix that, but theres just a slow, unreliable low frequency bus or drive. Those are the only options.
Some people also must balance their living situations between their family memebers and their workplaces/salaries. It is easier to provide people better options to get around than it is to expect people not to travel.
But even if they and their country do everything right, the rest of world may (isn’t) and it’s going to be more or less the same anyways.
Nice hypothetical, but there's not a single industrialized country that is doing that, and it's not even close.
Pylons.
I brought my own bag to the supermarket a couple times.
Proportional representation without a referendum is the best way for parliament to do what’s necessary to fight against climate change.
Louder for those in the back!
Proportional representation without a referendum is the best way for parliament to do what’s necessary to fight against climate change.
Yup, I'm done with arguing with bad faith Pierre Poilievre conservatives and corporate liberals about it.
Why not have a referendum?
Because it allows the establishment figure heads and corporate media to fear monger people into staying with first-past-the-post when in reality proportional representation is simpler as it represents the popular share of mps by vote percentage. PR would fix the current polarization in our politics.
I'd actually lean towards the opposite for similar reasons. I think it'd be hard to get the current politicians to implement proportional representation without a referendum. The current system benefits them. Having a (successful) referendum would give the issue momentum that can keep it going through bureaucratic & political obstacles.
Unfortunately, many of the largest contributors to climate change don't even have parliaments
However that is for their people to focus on.
Canada isn’t nearly doing enough to address climate change and it’s time Canadians have at least 7 choices in each riding instead of 2. We deserve accountability.
Governments and companies don't seem to acknowledge that driving less would be beneficial. If they did, there would be a greater push for work from home for jobs that can be done remotely.
Climate change is so accepted that the general thought is "don't buy a lakefront house in PEI or Nova Scotia."
push for work from home
Work from home will never be accepted by bureaucrats. It immediately showed that employees can be happier while maintaining productivity, 'hours of operation' are irrelevant, and those HUGE buildings with astronomical rent are totally useless. All things that get under the skin of bottom feeding management and bureaucrats because it takes away their control over other people.
Maybe the kiss-ass management. I either see the idiots touting the company line like its gospel or the ones who just want to get shit done as pissed off as everybody else. I'm sure there are those who abuse WFH, but they are driving all their talent away with these policies.
The useless buildings are probably more to blame. Need them tax breaks to min/max their property investments by pushing the cost of transportation onto the labor class.
Is there a similar program for Germany or Europe?
Gotta get those laggards off that coal and oil