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Beehaw on Lemmy: The long-term conundrum of staying here (beehaw.org)

submitted 11 months ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/fediverse@kbin.social

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A discussion happening over on beehaw about problems with federation and moderation, and on fundamental issues with Lemmy itself, and what would go into making a fork vs starting something new.

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[–] hoodlem@hoodlem.me 1 points 11 months ago

Very well thought out post. It seems like they are considering pretty big measures. I think the next logical place to go for them is to whitelist instead of blacklist. Sucks for self hosters, but in general gives Beehaw what they want.

Moderation tools seem to be the biggest problem for the poster. They also say the devs don’t see it as a priority. They say they’ve even offered bounties to add better tool support. Moderation tools get brought up all the time on Lemmy—I agree that it should be the main focus or development right now TBH.

[–] readbeanicecream@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@stopthatgirl7 This seems like quite the lift and shift. Moving to a new platform would definitely split their user based. I would also thin that any form of aggressive defederation would split their user base as well. From what I can tell, there are not many (if any) fediverse platforms that have the level of moderation tools they they are looking for.

Unfortunately, It just looks like they are in a tight spot. One the could make or break that community.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think part of the problem is that moderation tools, in general, on the threadiverse are extremely weak. It’s easy to share across platforms and instances on kbin and lemmy, but it seems to be a nightmare to moderate across platforms and instances, in a way that it isn’t on other Fediverse sites. I can’t tell if it’s by design or by oversight, but it’s going to only become a bigger problem in the future if it isn’t sorted soon. Beehaw’s issues with moderation seem like the canary in the coal mine.

[–] btaf45@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

but it seems to be a nightmare to moderate across platforms and instances,

Nobody needs to moderate across platforms and instances. Just moderate your own community, on your own site. Power is decentralized by design.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Looking at all the spam on the science community proves you wrong. It’s on lemmy, and the mods smack down all the spam quickly…On Lemmy. But people looking at it on kbin see constant posts of spam and advertising, making the community completely unusable, because the lemmy admins can’t moderate the page on kbin once it’s federated into the kbin server. Likewise, mods on lemmy and kbin might lock comments on a post that’s getting toxic, but that lock doesn’t carry over to kbin, and they can’t do anything about it. That’s the issue I’m talking about.

[–] btaf45@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the community is on kbin that the kbin mod removes the spam. If the community is on lemmy instance than mod on lemmy instance removes spam.

Isn't that how it works? The mod on the community instances removes the spam and then it gets removed on all sites right?

Likewise, mods on lemmy and kbin might lock comments on a post that’s getting toxic, but that lock doesn’t carry over to kbin, and they can’t do anything about it.

Wouldn't a lock on a thread on that community's site prevent any new comments from coming back to that site over the fediverse?

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Yes, but the problem is it doesn’t federate. A lemmy mod can remove spam on their lemmy community, but there’s no one to remove the spam once it federates to be on a kbin server. That’s why the science community seen on kbin is swarming with spam - the mods on lemmy remove it, but there’s no one to remove it on kbin until Ernest removes it, because communities default to him as the moderator of the kbin magazine version, and no way for lemmy mods to make someone on kbin a moderator for it.