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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 105 points 6 months ago (3 children)

FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You mean hope that they too don't become subject to enshittification? I don't have a lot of faith in that.

Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there's no way they won't start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won't kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I'm personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it's directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 9 points 6 months ago

I'm more concerned with Mozilla spending its meager resources to chase some fads instead of focusing on improving firefox.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the "do anything but nothing" ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

there are already forks in place if you're dissatisfied with firefox like librewolf, floorp or the new one from mullvad

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Steam's strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (21 children)

I love Firefox, but I can’t shake the feeling that it is slower on YouTube. My tinfoil hat theory is that Google somehow throttles YouTube on Firefox.

[–] cowfodder@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure someone discovered that is true recently, but can't be assed to try to find it right now.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not tinfoil, they have been caught doing it and they continue to do it. It's a scumbag company.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 6 months ago

How the fuck they haven't been slapped with an anticompetitive is beyon - oohh right. End stage capitalism

[–] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

One thing you can test is to apply a Chrome user-agent on Firefox when visiting YouTube. In my personal experience that actually noticeably improves the situation.

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[–] Norgur@fedia.io 13 points 6 months ago

Well, Google will probably optimize their shit for their own ~~privacy invasion sniffing tool~~ browser twice as hard as for Firefox and such

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Google does that a lot with their own web properties. I remember Google Meet didn't support background replacement on Firefox, but switching Firefox's user agent to Chrome suddenly fixed it.

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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago (3 children)

chrome used to be good. Emphasis on the past tense.

Firefox was always good. Chrome was very briefly better. Firefox has not suffered enshittification like chrome did.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This. Firefox has always been just good. It wasn't great or anything, it was just a good browser. Then chrome came around and it had more, better features. It was a bit more memory usage, but those were for the additional features Firefox didn't have.

Firefox didn't really change a whole lot, it added synching features across accounts, and didn't get worse. It just stayed the same.

The people made Firefox better, because now they're creating add-ons for Firefox, where chrome had more.

I feel like once chrome got the majority of browser users, it immediately started going to shit. I have no proof of this, just a memory of it being better until it was announced that chrome was the most used browser, and the near immediate heavier memory usage.

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[–] GTG3000@programming.dev 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, I clearly remember firefox being terrible back when Chrome was just beginning to take off.

It was a lumbering monolith that ate all your ram and loaded pages at a glacial pace. Chrome was a multi-process revolution from that.

Then, firefox got it's shit together and chrome got overloaded with corpo bullshit.

[–] KrankyKong@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It used to take firefox ages to open. I switched back after the big update in the mid 2010s that made it good again.

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[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 60 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

People saying FF is slower: like how much slower? are we taking like 14 millisecond slower? Cause everything seems pretty instantaneous here. Maybe its because i'm old enough to remember DSL and 56k internet, but I think FF os crazy fast and even if Chrome would be 25% faster I wouldn't switch to evil google for that.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It used to be a lot slower, which is why when Chrome showed up with its shiny new V8 engine (and other features) people switched from Firefox en masse. Now the performance difference is no longer noticeable.

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[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

61 Firefox windows and 427 tabs (don't judge, I know I have a problem) and I have no performance complaints - admittedly, not all of them are active/rendering simultaniously, but still...

Firefox (and its forks) have been my go-to for 15 years.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 33 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I remember when Chrome was released, all marketing was on how much faster it rendered webpages, I never saw that as an issue, Firefox was fast enough, I tried Chrome for a bit, and hated the UI, I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly, and frankly, I still am a bit confused by both the sudden shift, and the absolute market dominance by Chrome...

[–] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly

Because they were still using Explorer before that

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[–] vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I switched from FFX to Chrome back in the day because Chrome tabs were all independent processes in task manager, and one crappy website wouldn't kill my whole browser.

When Google started their war on addons, I switched back to Firefox.

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[–] MewtwoLikesMemes@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Honestly, I'm less worried about the speed and moreso I just don't like supporting Google's de facto monopoly of the Web's infrastructure.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Firefox is slower, not because it's worse, but Gecko is a minority engine in the web (~3-4%) and because of this the most webs are optimized for Blink. That is the only reason and because most current Browsers are using it, a devils circle. The result of leaving Google hands-free for too long and that for 20 years the number of available engines has remained stagnant (3 and some testimonial exotic forks) because it is the most complicated part of a browser. Little can be done now.

Well, Apples WebKit is even worse than Gecko, as a small consolation for FF users.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (17 children)

If you're switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

noscript is your web condom. I will not touch a page without it.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have been on the firefox train since it was new. I witnessed the rise of Chrome and Chromium, and never really felt the pull, and worried about everyone targeting the same platform. Figured I'd stay on FF until I had no choice. Don't see myself leaving.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I'm gonna be honest.

The main reason I don't like Firefox is the ui.

It's one of those things where I've been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I'd use it in a heartbeat.

[–] macgyver@federation.red 12 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Well bud, you can literally customize Firefox with css. So get to learning

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's the worst part about all of this.

I don't even know what css is 😭

[–] macgyver@federation.red 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s what makes HTML look fancy. You can also find something you already like https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

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[–] erev@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

You can drag and drop your toolbar, extensions, and layout.

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[–] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 months ago

Firefox masterrace

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

I've switched to Firefox but there's definitely a few things that irritate me about it.

First thing is when I boot up my computer, launch Firefox, it launches long enough for me to click a bookmark then closes to perform an update. And then doesn't automatically reopen...

I also have it set to not "remember" my tabs after closing. Yet when I launch Firefox for the first time after rebooting or closing ally tabs, it gives me a "hmm.. we're having a hard time finding your previous session" message. Uh, yeah, I told you not to look for it.. can I just have the regular "new tab" page?

It also might just be because I'm used to chrome, but I feel the mobile app is severely lacking. I hate that I can't access my bookmarks directly from the new tab page, and that the tablet version doesn't show you your bookmark bar. The synchronization between mobile and desktop isn't great either, I'll have a very long specific search query that I've used multiple times on my phone, yet it doesn't offer it for auto-complete on desktop, I have to search the entire term again or go digging through my history. When you're searching long model numbers and the like, this is incredibly frustrating.

Finally, and I don't know if this is a Firefox issue, but there's some memory leak that occurs when viewing a webcam stream from my raspberry pi that only has happened in Firefox. The first time I noticed it happening my PC slowed to a crawl, when task manager finally opened Firefox was taking 23GB of RAM. So I have to use chrome to keep that steam open for more than a few minutes at a time.

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[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Everything enshitifies... Everything, problem that worries me that, Firefox will enshitify like this too one day

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

At that point it will be forked yet again, and that fork will take over. Mozilla is a very active open source member though.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Then it will be forked and the cycle continues.

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

boss i'm tired of those cycles

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