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Ukraine's human rights commissioner has called for more international pressure on Moscow to help Kyiv bring home thousands of Ukrainian children who Kyiv says have been illegally taken to Russia during the war.

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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Of all the things Russia has done in Ukraine, I think this is one of the worst. They're taking kids away from their families. To remove them from their communities at such a developmentally important age, then trafficking and brainwashing them who knows where is tantamount to genocide.

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 year ago

it is not tantamount to genocide, it's literally genocide

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

After all the russification efforts of the 19th century, why break the habit of a lifetime.

[–] aeternum@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i can't do much to help ukraine, but i can say this: fuck russia so hard.

[–] omginput@feddit.de -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You actually can. They welcome everyone as a soldier.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Just to counter the typical tankie argument, here's one shitty thing USA hasn't done, right?

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

I mean, not recently, but yeah. People trying to make the crimes of the USA and the crimes of Russia the same, especially in this conflict is silly. Also, even if it was the same, it still wouldn't be okay by any measure.

[–] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We were doing this regularly as a matter of policy with illegal immigrants until...let me check my notes...the 2020's.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hundreds-of-migrant-children-remain-separated-from-families-despite-push-to-reunite-them

I don't support much of anything Russia has ever done, but this is not a point where we have any moral high ground over them whatsoever.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I was genuinely looking for information here, even if in a bit loaded way. Thanks.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

They did it to the natives way back then. It also happened in Canada and Australia, it's a tried and true colonialist tactics.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 1 year ago

Well, no. Not unless you count slaves before the civil war, immigration camps during Trump or the Japanese internment camps in WW2.

[–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can always reframe it, I guess. Russia probably tells it like “we rescue children from a poor country run by Nazis and their parents who fight us”.

Similarly, the West: “we rescue children from t the ISIS regime and their terrorist parents who fight us”.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Similarly, the West: “we rescue children from t the ISIS regime and their terrorist parents who fight us”.

Did we actually do that?

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

It's weird. Last time I asked about this people replied with whataboutisms, they went voluntarily, etc.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Dmytro Lubinets spoke to Reuters in Kyiv days after several minors were reunited with their parents in western Ukraine on Saturday after a journey home from Russia and Russian-held areas.

Matters had got "easier" since the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin in March.

Moscow, which invaded in February 2022, has repeatedly denied its forces have engaged in war crimes or forcibly taken Ukrainian children.

Ukraine has repatriated 406 children so far and does not know exactly how many more there are in total because it does not have access to Russia or swathes of occupied territory in the south and east, Lubinets said.

Svitlana Riabtseva, 39, was among a group of parents who were reunited with their children on Saturday night in western Ukraine where they had arrived from Russia via other countries.

He said Ukraine was partnering with non-governmental groups like Orphans Feeding Foundation, a Dutch NGO that is helping coordinate a programme launched by the president's office under the slogan "Bring Kids Back UA".


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