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The Trudeau government will cease future arms exports to Israel even though a motion passed Monday by the House of Commons that called for such action is non-binding, says Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly.

"It is a real thing," said Joly, speaking to the Star briefly on the morning after a majority of Liberal MPs and cabinet voted in support of a modified NDP resolution that some Jewish groups say undermines Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas.

The controversial multi-pronged resolution sought to toughen Canada's stance on the Middle East conflict.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 42 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

As usual the NDP have to be the adults in government.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

There's a reason I've voted for them ever since I was voting age.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 months ago

Good on the NDP for pushing the point. Despite the resolution itself being very tempered in language, in spirit the bill is functioning as intended.

[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I gotta say to all the people whining about the free Palestine protesters

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU GET A RESULT

Yes, Canada not selling arms to Israel isn't going to do much of anything on the ground - but that's not entirely the point.

The point is, when you know your government is doing something horrible (that they still want to do) protesting the individuals who make up government absolutely has tangible results.

If we want our politicians to actually prioritize healthcare, education, infrastructure, cost of living, national defence, unions, wage gaps, break up monopolies/oligopoly there is only one path.

Take a page out of Palestinian playbook and collectively organize against government officials. Where they live, their meetings, events, their families etc. Protest the politicians existence and go after them in court constantly

Make the individual politicians and their families lives miserable until they act like they give enough of a shit about you that you're satisfied with their efforts.

Canada is one of the most politically apathetic yet wealthy countries on earth. We collectively let ourselves be robbed and crushed by neoliberalism, and have next to 0 civic comprehension or participation.

The belief that voting or paying attention to politics and government action is useless is blatantly wrong.

Every current problem is a direct result of intentional action by politicians and government policy, and the only way it happens is voter apathy.

We deserve the government we have because we allow them to act unchecked.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully that means more weapons destined to Ukraine.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

But hopefully no more standing ovations in Parliament for WW2 Nazis lol

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

“Global Affairs Canada can confirm that Canada has not received any requests, and therefore not issued any permits, for full weapon systems for major conventional arms or light weapons to Israel for over 30 years,” the department told Al Jazeera in an email on Friday.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/9/demands-for-canada-to-stop-supplying-weapons-to-israel-grow-louder

This is virtue signalling and won't have any meaningful effect on whether Israel continues its genocide against Palestinians

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/pmc-cgp/quellessont-whatare/grp2-eng.html

https://www.international.gc.ca/transparency-transparence/controls-controles/military-goods-2022-marchandises-militaires.aspx?lang=eng#a6_7

The categories are admittedly a bit too broad for my liking but most of it seems to be electronics and components, which from what I can tell are not mentioned in this motion.

And even if these permits are also frozen, let's be realistic here, if Israel needs weapon components they can very easily find another vendor outside of Canada or use middlemen. If Russia can do it so can they.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait, the papers were just saying the other week they'd been approving shipments of arms to Israel till just recently

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Military goods, not arms. Lots of journalists are failing their audiences and equating these 2 when one doesn't necessarily imply the other.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.ca -2 points 5 months ago

There's berm conflicting statements directly attributed to government departments clearly contradicting each other. Who the fuck knows?

[–] Publicenema710@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago

Israel has a very robust and healthy domestic arms industry, this is unlikely to affect anything at all on their end.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -2 points 5 months ago

Maybe they can send some Iron Dome to Gaza to protect the Palestinians from their terrorist neighbors?